KPFA exec session Nov 16, 2024
KPFA Local Station Board
EXECUTIVE SESSION
of Saturday, November 16, 2024
Zoom
The "trial" of Elizabeth Milos and Steve Zeltzer
The KPFA Local Station Board has 24 delegates (board members)
There are 2 groups or caucuses: "Rescue Pacifica" and the "Protectors"
RESCUE PACIFICA GROUP (RP)
Elizabeth Milos
Steve Zeltzer
Anthony Fest
Daniel Borgström
Donna Carter
Cheryl Davila
James McFadden
Frank Sterling
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The PROTECTORS GROUP
Emma Auer
Michael Cheng
Brian Crowell
Fred Dodsworth
Donald Goldmacher
Zack Kaldveer
Lily Kimura, Chair
Darlene Pagano
Candice Schott
Catherine Tactaquin,
Mark Van Landuyt
Philip Maldari
Darlene Pagano
Richard Wolinsky
Leslie Howard
Sherry Gendelman
The "Protectors" group also included 2 non-board members
Carol Wolfley, Secretary
Christina Huggins, Treasurer
Note: the above was the LSB as of 2024; in December several of the above left the board and newly elected members took their seats. However, the ratio of the two groups remains the same.
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ALSO PRESENT AT THE EXEC SESSION:
David Shapiro, Parliamentarian
Peter Stickney, Meeting administrator, LSB Board Tech
PNB Directors: Teresa Adams, Susan Young, Cerene Roberts, Jim Dingeman
Legal Representative for the Defense, Jim Lafferty
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DEFENDENTS, both are delegates (board members), affiliated with Rescue Pacifica
Elizabeth Milos
Steve Zeltzer
Jim Lafferty, -- Attorney for the defendants
Fred Dodsworth-- Designated "Prosecutor" for the "Protectors" group
Christina Huggins -- Chair, self appointed; affiliated with "Protectors"
WITNESSES requested by the defendants::
Business Manager Maria Negret, the supposed victim of assault and battery -- not present
General Manager Antonio Ortiz -- not present
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ZOOM meeting, exec session
November 16, 2024
From 11:00 a.m. to 1:23 p.m.
EXCUSED absences:
Brian Crowell
Lily Kimura, Chair of LSB
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EDITER'S NOTE: This transcript is based on a machine-generated text of the Exec session of the KPFA LSB Nov 16, 2024. Although it's been edited, errors presumably remain.
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00:02
This is the LSB, the KPFA LSB of Saturday, November, 16, 16th, 2024,
01:27
CAROL WOLFLEY, Secretary
Christina, it looks like we're ready to go with quorum. Okay?
01:30
CHRISTINA HUGGINS, Chair, self appointed
OK. Meeting will come to order. This is the executive session of the KPFA, LSB, November 16, 2024. I, Christina Huggins will be acting as chair for this meeting.
(Editor's note: 1st By Law Violation- she can not be acting chair as she is not an elected LSB member)
ELIZABETH MILOS, Rescue Pacifica
Could you please record the meeting?
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Lily, it is...
ELIZABETH MILOS, Rescue Pacifica
Before you start before you start
CHRISTINA HUGGINS, Chair, self appointed
It is our custom not to record executive sessions.
ELIZABETH MILOS, Rescue Pacifica
This one needs to be recorded because it will be part of a legal document. So this needs to be recorded. And I have consulted with Pacifica attorney regarding this.
Yes, this has to be recorded. Thank you.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS, Chair, self appointed
The Secretary will be taking note minutes for this meeting.
ELIZABETH MILOS, Rescue Pacifica
No, this needs to be recorded.
If you're not going to record it, then we will definitely record it.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
No. California is a two party state. You cannot record something without our permission. I Christina Huggins will be acting as chair for this meeting. Lily...
ELIZABETH MILOS, Rescue Pacifica
You are officially denying. You are officially denying the recording of this, of this session?
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
You are out of order. You are out of order.
ELIZABETH MILOS, Rescue Pacifica
Are you officially denying the recording of the session?
CHRISTINA HUGGINS, Chair, self appointed
The chair has ruled you are out of order now. Now the chair has ruled.
Lily [Kimura] has requested an excused absence. I'm introducing Roxy van Valkenburg. Will be working with Peter Stickney as meeting administrators. Mr. James Lafferty is here as a legal representative for the defense. Okay, and all participants will be expected to abide by the KPFA LSB procedures and rules for the executive session and to uphold confidentiality for these proceedings. I will ask that you take roll call please. Carol
03:03
CAROL WOLFLEY, Secretary
Yes,
CAROL WOLFLEY
November, 16, 2024
TAKING ROLL
Emma Auer
Present,
03:11
Emma present. Daniel Borgström, we'll come back
Daniel is present, Daniel present.
03:22
Donna Carter
03:25
Present,
Michael Chang
03:29
Michael present,
Cheryl Davila.
03:34
Cheryl present,
Fred Dodsworth, (Prosecutor)
03:39
Present,
Donald Goldmacher,
03:45
We'll come back. Leslie Howard
Here, Leslie here,
Zack Kaldveer
Here. Zack here,
Lily Kimura,
03:57
FRED - excused absence
04:00
James McFadden
Here,
04:05
James here.
ELIZABETH MILOS
04:09
Here,
Brian Crowell,
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Brian requested an excused absence.
Carol, Brian requested excused absence.
Candice Schott,
Here. Candice here
Catherine Tactaquin,
Here. Catherine here.
Mark Van Landuyt
Present, Mark here,
Steve Zeltzer
04:34
Present, Steve present.
Anthony Fest,
04:43
We'll come back.
Phillip,
Anthony
Okay, yes, I'm here.
to unmute.
04:50
Anthony Fest, We'll come back
Present.
Philip Maldari,
I'm here. Philip here.
Anthony Present
Darlene Pagano
04:58
Here,. Darlene here.
05:00
Frank Sterling,
05:06
We'll come back. I thought I saw Frank asked to be admitted.
05:13
FRANK-- I'm here
Frank is here.
05:15
Richard Wolinsky
Here,
You're here. Sherry Gendelman,
05:22
I'm here.
Sherry Gendelman and Carlos Kohan,
05:27.
(Editor's note: Carlos Kohan didn't answer).
Okay,
05:31
Donald Goldmacher,
I'm here. Donald is here.
05:37
And so we have a request to excuse the absences.
05:49
SHERRY GENDELMAN, Protector
Second,
CHRISTINA HUGGINS: Is there any-- If there's no objection, we'll excuse the absences.
ELIZABETH MILOS, Rescue Pacifica
There is an objection.
05:55
Parlamentarian: 21 people
FRED DODSWORTH, Prosecutor
Elizabeth Milos objected
05:59
PARLAMENTARIAN: announce that quorum is present.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Quorum is present.
PARLAMENTARIAN: 21
CHRISTINA HUGGINS: 21
So we we'll take it to a vote to excuse the absences. Go ahead, Carol,
06:15
CAROL WOLFLEY, Secretary
Can we just see raised hands?
PARLAMENTARIAN: Yes.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS:
Yes. Please raise your hand if you're objecting--
PARLAMENTARIAN: in favor of excusing the absences.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS:
Okay, stop again. Okay, raise your hand if you're in favor of excusing the absences.
06:31
CHERYL DAVILA, Rescue Pacifica
Can you go back over who's being excused?
06:37
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Brian Crowell is being excused. Lily..
CAROL WOLFLEY
Kimura
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Kimura is being excused. And is there someone else? Carlos Kohan, is being excused?.
CAROL WOLFLEY, Secretary
Carlos is, yeah, he is going to be in joining later, (6:52 into the meeting he is still not here)
ELIZABETH MILOS, Rescue Pacifica
Before going to the vote. You should actually ask what, what the objection is, shouldn't you?..
07:01
PARLAMENTARIAN: unintelligible for now
CAROL WOLFLEY: Okay. We have--
CHRISTINA HUGGINS:
They shall be excused. You're out of order.
07:02
ELIZABETH MILOS, Rescue Pacifica
The chair. The chair of the LSB is not going to be present, so the chair of the LSB
Who's the chair Then? Who is acting chair?
07:05-07:12
CHRISTINA HUGGINS, Chair, self appointed
I am the chair for this meeting,
ELIZABETH MILOS, Rescue Pacifica
Christina Huggins is the chair for this meeting at this moment?
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Lily [the LSB chair] is not able to make it.
STEVE ZELTZER, Rescue Pacifica
You're not a member of the board though.
ELIZABETH MILOS, Rescue Pacifica
You're not a member of the board. You can not--
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
I'm an officer of the Board.
ELIZABETH MILOS, Rescue Pacifica
You're not a delegate.
To be able to preside over this kind of...
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
The chair does not have to be a delegate, per the bylaws.
(Editor's note: By Laws Violation and misrepresentation of what the By Laws say.)
ELIZABETH MILOS, Rescue Pacifica
Actually, it does. The Chair--
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
You are out of order.
ELIZABETH MILOS, Rescue Pacifica
Actually, it does. the ones who don't have to be a delegate is the treasurer and the Secretary, but the chair does-(muted by MUTE controller then Elizabeth unmuted herself) the Chair does have to be.
07:41
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
You will be removed from the room if you do not come to order,
STEVE ZELTZER, Rescue Pacifica
You're not a delegate, Christina
07:48
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
You will be removed as well. I'm the chair. The chair does not have to be a delegate,
(Editor's note: In addition to Article Seven, Local Station Boards, Section 5: Election of Officers
"....With the exception of the Chair and the Vice Chair, an officer of an LSB is not required to be a Delegate. Local Station Board officers may not serve concurrently as Foundation Directors, and must resign their position as an LSB officer if elected to the Board of Directors." There is also this:
Article Seven, Local Station Boards, Section 9: Proxies Not Permitted
"All actions taken by LSB members shall be taken personally. The powers of Delegates and associate station representatives may not be exercised by alternates, by proxy or the like."
This constitutes an unlawful usurpation of powers by Christina Huggins)
STEVE ZELTZER, Rescue Pacifica
Has to be a delegate. You can't have someone who's not a board member
07:57
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
That's not true .
DONNA CARTER, Rescue Pacifica
The chair has to be a delegate. That's in the By Laws
CHRISTINA HUGGINS I made my ruling.
CAROL WOLFLEY: Orders of the Day
PARLAMENTARIAN: You may have to put it to a vote.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
I made my ruling.
ELIZABETH MILOS: No, you are not a delegate so this will make it completely--
CHERYL DAVILA, Rescue Pacifica
Show us in writing where it says the chair does not have to be a delegate
CAROL WOLFLEY: Orders of the Day
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
We'll put it to a vote
08:14
ELIZABETH MILOS
No, no vote is valid with the chair that is not even a delegate of the LSB.
08:20
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
No you're wrong, You're out of order.
PARLAMENTARIAN: Point of Order is--
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Your point of order is not well taken, you're being dilatory
ELIZABETH MILOS: You don't show us the pertinent docum---(muted by other)
CHRISTINA HUGGINS And you are deemed dilatory.
ELIZABETH MILOS: No, you're- (muted by others again)-(unmuted myself): You have to ---(muted)
CAROL WOLFLEY, Secretary
I call the member to Order. Elizabeth Milos, I call the member to Order.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
08:23
[Board members are speaking over each other]
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Order. Thank you. I call the member to order. You will be removed from the meeting if you continue with your dilatory behavior.
08:38
PARLAMENTARIAN: Shall Christina Huggins be--
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Okay, everybody, put your hands down. Now, Shall Christina Huggins--
ELIZABETH MILOS
I'd like to know the name of the parliamentarian who's whispering in your ear right now. Please, for the record at all of our meeting, for the record,
CHRISTINA HUGGINS: The Parlamentarian has been at all of our meetings.
ELIZABETH MILOS
For the record. For the Record
PARLAMENTARIAN: David Shapiro.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
David Shapiro.
ELIZABETH MILOS
David Shapiro. for the record. Thank you very much, parliamentarian.
Thank you very much. David Shapiro.
For the record. Thank you.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Okay, so everybody put your hands down for now.
Everybody,
09:11
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Okay, so we'll go on with the meeting
09:14
This Good morning, everyone the board will hold --
FRED DODSWORTH, Prosecutor
Ms Davila's hand is still up.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS : Pardon?
FRED DODSWORTH
Ms Davila's hand is still up.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS: Could you please put your hand down? Cheryl.
CHERYL DAVILA, Rescue Pacifica
I have a question, I would like to-- I would....
09:31
CAROL WOLFLEY: We're in a report--
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
I'm starting the meeting. You're out of order for now, you will be I'm going to go over the first, the rules first, and then we will talk. The board will hold two disciplinary hearings today, with presentations from the prosecution and defense, with opening and closing remarks followed by deliberations and voting. As always, each defendant is presumed innocent unless the board makes a ruling to the contrary. This is not a criminal or a civil trial. It is a board hearing about board concerns [coughing makes word inaudible maybe board "members"] Voting will be done in a secret ballot
with a voter created five character code for identification. Delegates will be sent separate email ballots for each hearing, and will have 30 minutes after the discussion to vote. Delegates reply to the uh...sorry
Delegates will be moved to the waiting room during deliberation...defendants will be... to ensure confidential discussion.
Defendants do not vote on their case.
(Editor's note: There has been no "presumption of innocence" with Fred Dodsworth's 8/14 Public Candidate Forum accusation; 8/19 KPFA Protector's mass email and Fred Dodsworth's 9/9 KPFA Open List direct accusation to Steve Zeltzer. Nor was there any censure of Fred Dodsworth for his actions. These actions had the primary objective of slandering not only the defendants but also the entire slate Rescue Pacifica during an election since the first two public communications about this alleged assault were made against Rescue Pacifica in general in the context of election activities/mailings. This is not the first time that the officers of this Board have applied rules selectively and have acquested to and allowed abusive behavior against other LSB members and staff. Frank Sterling is a staff member and again this same person used the opportunity of this session to again criticize this same staff member)
ELIZABETH MILOS
I object.
10:24
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
So that the process remains orderly and efficient, if a situation arises where there are outbursts, interruptions or dilatory motions, or someone is not willing to follow the standing rules and rules for this meeting, that person may be moved into the waiting room for a period of time designated by the chair
(Editor's Note: Cheryl Davila was removed later without notice and without a time period designated)
A point was raised regarding the KPFA LSB ethics Task Force.
The chair will address this matter now. On January 13, 2024 the KPFA LSB reviewed the standing rules and customs, which included an authorization for the KPFA LSB ethics Task Force. No member challenged that part of the standing rules in a timely manner.
(Editor's Note: meetings held have not allowed members to be able to make motions or points of order because we have been muted, and the chat has been severely restricted to only the Zoom Tech and the Secretary and Chair. That meeting in particular was the first one of Lily Kimura as Chair and she kept the mute button on for everyone and only allowed us to speak when turned on. There was not a way to challenge anything)
(Editor's note: Even if this Ethics committee had been introduced as "standing rules", there was never a vote by the Board to reconstitute the Ethics Committee which should have been done at the start of the new session. There is nothing in the Specific Powers and Duties of LSBs -- Article Seven, Local Station Boards, Section 3: Specific Powers and Duties
that would give them the authority to create a "standing" ethics committee.)
Under Robert's Rules of Order, when no objection is raised, it is assumed that the assembly consents to the matter.
(Editor's note: This rule can not be used to replace the By Laws requirement of reconstituting committees at the start of each new formally reconstituted LSB. Just like the PNB needs to reconstitute the committees from previous PNBs, so do the LSBs)
All of the members of the KPFA LSB Ethics Task Force are current KPFA LSB officers and or delegates, Fred Dodsworth, Christina Huggins, Carol Wolfley, Sherry Gendelman, Lily Kimura and Brian Crowell.
(Editor's note: of these "members" of this ethics committee mentioned, TWO are not delegates; TWO were absent and TWO were present for this "deliberation". When this committee was originally formed in 2022, ALL were delegates. No new rule was discussed or voted on to include non-delegate officers to this committee.)
(Editors Note: The PNB never officially approved or delegated any powers to the KPFA LSB to form this "taskforce/committee" to begin with and may revocate this "ethics committee" at any time. Article Seven, Local Station Boards, Section 4: Other Local Station Board Powers and Authority. It is our contention that this Ethics Committee itself is not a standing committee and has no authority unless the PNB authorizes it as such. The last time, the PNB revocated the decision of this Ethics Committee because of "due process" concerns. It it in the interest of Pacifica and behooves the PNB to do the same as well as to dissolve it as constituted because of procedural grouonds and because of even more serious due process concerns as well as the very real potential of a law suit by both of the defendants due to slander.)
(quote from this same section: "By resolution, the Foundation's Board of Directors may delegate any other corporate powers it deems appropriate to an LSB with regard to that specific radio station. Any such power delegated to an LSB is subject to revocation at any time by the Board of Directors. Any and all actions, resolutions and policies taken or adopted by an LSB may be overridden by a majority vote of the Directors if said action, resolution or policy is found by the Board of Directors to be adverse to the mission and/or charitable or business purposes of the Foundation, to exceed the power or authority granted to said LSB or to be inconsistent with these Bylaws, the Articles or applicable laws and regulations.")
(Editor's note: The precedent set by this KPFA LSB in using its majority status to suspend LSB members with this dubiously created "ethics" committee, could place any dissenting voices on any of the Boards in jeopardy of being "suspended". The use of the "suspension" option, should not be allowed at the LSB level and it is definitely "exceed the power or authority granted to said LSB" and is "inconsistent with these Bylaws, the Articles or applicable laws and regulations.")
The KPFA LSB Task Force met September 18, 2024 to review evidence regarding alleged assault and battery and alleged public statements about a KPFA employee. The task force made recommendations to the KPFA LSB on September 21, 2024.
(Editor's Note: No notice was sent to LSB members to inform of the meeting of this "Task Force". The "evidence" was not shared with the Board members neither on September 18th nor before, or during the LSB meeting on 9/21/24. The video evidence apparently was shared in an Ex-Parte fashion since Fred Dodsworth stated in a KPFA Open Listserve directly to defendant Steve Zeltzer that he had seen the "film". )
Based on the task force's recommendation, the board approved a motion to hold two disciplinary meetings,--hearings today and set a procedural agenda. This approval by the board confirms the legitimacy of the process moving forward today.
(Editor's note: The approval from the Board was done without a chance for all of the Board to review the evidence or to ask any clarifying questions. Even the use of Executive Session to approve a motion to hold disciplinary hearing---when one of the defendants had already been accused publicly by a member of this Board---is suspect. The excuse that it was because we were discussing an employee is not valid because this meeting could have been held publicly without mentioning the employee's name and Christina Huggins herself admitted that the employee was "not the accuser".)
Therefore the chair rules of the KPFA, LSB ethics task force with the persons on it, continuing from July 16, 2022 is legitimate in its current capacity, and we will now proceed with a disciplinary hearing based on the board agreements, standing rules and customs according to the scheduled procedures, with a focus on the charges and specifications. 12:16
(Editor's note: The charges proferred against one of the defendants didn't include the date that the alleged statements were made. It was unclear as to exactly what part of the statements were a violation since the charges state that LSB members can not comment or criticize staff about the performance of their duties. None of this employee's actions constitute part of the job duties of a Business Manager: not going outside to take down posters, nor filing an Opposition to an Ex-parte relief in collaboration with the opposing counsel to Pacifica, in opposition to the delay in payment of the $305,000 award to Vernille)
STEVE ZELTZER, Rescue Pacifica
Okay I have a---
DONNA CARTER, Rescue Pacifica
Question
DANIEL BORGSTROM, Rescue Pacifica
May I ask a question or two?
JIM LAFFERTY, Attorney for the defendants
May I ask a question or two.
12:21
DONNA CARTER, Rescue Pacifica
I do too.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Yes, yes, go ahead. Jim Lafferty
JIM LAFFERTY, Attorney for the defendants
Jim Lafferty. Thank you very much. I'll be very brief. Because I'm new to this process. I just had a couple of questions. You've answered some of them. It's not going to be recorded by yourselves. I understand that. Can you tell me this, since this is not an LSB meeting to discuss an employee, but rather the conduct of some co members of the LSB, why is it executive session and why isn't the public allowed to be there? I know of no rule that would require that. I just wondered why.
13:05
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
I can answer that. Thank you. In Roberts, Rules of Order, when you're discussing personnel, which we will be discussing today, you have to have it in an executive session, and we will be discussing personnel -- Maria, who is the business manager at KPFA.
13:21
JIM LAFFERTY
In the regard to Maria [Negret], my understanding is that she's not going to be here today. Is that correct?
13:27
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
That's correct.
JIM LAFFERTY, Attorney for the defendants
My understanding, at least, this is what the two people I'm representing have told me, correct me if I'm wrong, is that she's not here today because of a conflict that she can't avoid. Is that correct?
I mean, she's not here today, or what I that's what I was told, that my quote unquote clients were told, was that she's not here because she has a conflict that keeps her from being here. If my only point was, if that's a puzzling question, to my only point,
(Editor's note: The defendants wish to make a correction about the content of Jim Lafferty's statement. Their was no excuse given to defendants about the reasons for Maria Negret's or Antonio Ortiz's absence as requested witnesses. Carol Wolfley, the secretary only stated that they would not be available and that they could not compel witnesses to be present. This would be valid under RRO if these witnesses were only witnesses. In this case, the "witness" was the subject of the charges made against both of the defendants, in fact the video "evidence" that was presented, was never corroborated by the subject (employee), the fact that none of the members of the ethics committee were present at the time that the alleged actions took place, they thenslves could not act as witnesses with only the video as evidence. Hearsay can not be used as sufficient evidence to make these charges. Hearsay for alleged acts that could carry jail time as well as severely affect the defendants political, professional and personal life does not meet the most basic tenets of equanimity when measured against supposed video evidence that shows a very inadvertent millisecond touch to grab a poster from the hand of the employee. If the video evidence along with a statement from the employee would have been sufficient for the police to file assault and battery charges then the police report purported to be filed by the employee, would have stated the name of the suspect and this would have been followed up by at least a phone call to the defendant. Instead, the report was filed on August 14th a full two weeks after the incident and the interim General Manager would have been the first one to file the charges himself, or put a restraining order on the suspect to prevent the defendant from being anywhere close to the employee at her place of work. None of these things were done. This makes it clear that the accusations are politically motivated and have no basis in facts.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
It's irrelevant.
14:04
CAROL WOLFLEY: Point of Information
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
What's your point?
ELIZABETH MILOS
Point of information. Article Seven, Local Station Board. Section five, board of officers, with the exception of the chair and the vice chair and Officer of the LSB, is not required to be a delegate,
So the chair is required to be a delegate according to the bylaws. Article Seven, Section five, election ruling on that
14:20
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
I have already made a ruling on that. You are out of order
ELIZABETH MILOS
No, this is a violation of the bylaws. I'm just stating, By Laws
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
We've made a ruling on that. The interpretation is inaccurate.
We've already settled that. You are out of order.
14:33
JIM LAFFERTY, Attorney for the defendants
I'm asking a simple question. You were the process of --
Elizabeth, please.
You were the process of answering. And I appreciate that.
My only point that I wanted to make for the record was that if, if what I've been told was true, that she was not here today because she could not be here today for reasons of conflict, we, the two people I represent today, are perfectly happy to have this meeting adjourned to a time when she can attend. That's all I'm saying.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Okay, she's
15:03
okay.
15:05
JIM LAFFERTY
I'm not arguing it. I'm just making a statement for the record. Please
15:09
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
It's inaccurate what you're saying.
15:10
JIM LAFFERTY
Okay, tell me why isn't she here today.
That my client is not going to be confronted with her--
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
We're not. First of all, she's not the accuser. It's an it's a situation involving her.
We're showing you evidence today that will be, that will be, that this is based on. But we do not have subpoena power, and this is not a trial, like in civil court, or it is Criminal Court, which not. It's not necessary that she's...
JIM LAFFERTY
Just like nothing I've ever seen before. But she filed a police complaint. She filed a police complaint of assault and battery, which is a charge against one of these people, and yet she's not relevant for today? That's precious.
That's okay. I'll move on. I don't want to. I don't want to. I understand where I am.
I just wanted to say also for the record --
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Excuse me,
JIM LAFFERTY
I just wanted to say also for the record --
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Excuse me
JIM LAFFERTY
that this in violation of Pacifica bylaws and the laws of the State of California with corporations. Thank you for allowing me to make those statements.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
I just want you to know that this at this particular proceeding, hearsay is admissible.
This is not a criminal or a civil trial, so hearsay is in this proceeding.
So I will ask Steve Zeltzer, and the chair or the prosecution for his opening remarks.
16:33
ANTHONY FEST, Rescue Pacifica
Excuse me. Point of order.
16:36
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
State your point of order.
ANTHONY FEST, Rescue Pacifica
The board has not approved this agenda. It was sent to us by email as a fait accompli there's process issues here that need to be dealt with first. You've apparently decided to hold Steve's trial, quote, unquote first. board didn't vote for that.
The whole process hasn't been voted on by the board, especially, especially this. This business of voting by email.
Why are we going to vote by email? I would move that that all votes be voice votes, so that members will know how one another are voting, as if we are in a normal meeting.
ELIZABETH MILOS
I second that that motion. It has to be by voice vote
17:24
TWO PEOPLE TALKING AT ONCE
ELIZABETH MILOS
Cont. yes, and private deliberations are not, are not supposed to be done, and we shouldn't be allowed to go out.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
You're not recognized
CHERYL DAVILA, Rescue Pacifica
This. This is another motion.
My hands been raised this whole time, and you've totally ignored it, and it doesn't. Maybe this isn't a trial, but you're conducting it as if it is, and you're, and if you're not supposed to be the chair, you've never addressed the bylaws accurately. I requested that you put it up on the screen so that we could all see..
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
I have ruled on that particular motion. This is a special meeting. It is not a normal LSB meeting. You've received the agenda. It's dilatory at this point, I've already made my ruling. So we're going to go ahead with the prosecution
FRED DODSWORTH, Prosecutor
Point of order.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Go ahead. Please state your point.
FRED DODSWORTH
Carlos Cohen has joined us.
18:19
(Editor's note: Carlos Kohan, was absent during the first 18 minutes where he was unaware of the important procedural and By Laws points of order presented by the defendants and defendant's legal representative.)
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you. I will ask the prosecution to go ahead
ELIZABETH MILOS
Point of order.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
State your point.
18:27
ELIZABETH MILOS
My point is that there was a motion by Anthony Fest regarding the voice vote.
I accompanied that with a motion to add to that that the deliberations not be conducted without us, and that we also should be allowed to vote. I think that case was already resolved when the there was a acting PNB director 2019 that refused the PNB director of WBAI to be able to vote on, on, on the closure of the station.
And that was, was that was all that was ruled in the favor of the PNB director, who was not allowed to even vote during that PNB decision of the closure of the of the station, of the issue of the WBAI so that was already ruled. And so this LSB is not even the PNB.
19:26
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
I'm ruling you out of order. The chair has made the decision that we're going to do.
ELIZABETH MILOS
We're going to be taken out. We're not going to be allowed to vote regarding our own expulsion and regarding our and we won't be able to have access to any of the deliberations that are going on. Is that what you're saying? Is that what you're saying we will not have access to listen in and hear what people are saying?
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
That is correct. That is correct by Robert's Rules of Order, and we're
ELIZABETH MILOS
No, it's not by Robert's Rules of Order. I'd like to hear the specific citation of Robert's Rules of Order where this would be allowed. I'd like to hear that and put it for the record please. I'm asking the parliamentarian to cite specific site where Robert's Rules allows such a thing.
PARLAMENTARIAN: It will take a minute.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
It will take a minute. Hold on. In the meantime, we will continue.
PARLAMENTARIAN: In the meantime, you can go on
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Hold on. In the meantime, we will continue.
20:15
ELIZABETH MILOS
No we should
20:18
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
We're not
CHERYL DAVILA
Donna has her hand...
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Donna Carter,
DONNA CARTER, Rescue Pacifica
I note that Brian Crowell was part of the ethics committee, is not here. Is that true?
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
That's true.
DONNA CARTER
That would seem irregular to me.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
He had something come up and he's not able to be here. It's irrelevant,
20:39
CHERYL DAVILA
Point of order. How can that be irrelevant? If, if this is talking about, I just don't understand. It just seems like a kangaroo court, and I don't understand how all these things are happening and you're making all these rules.
21:02
FRED DODSWORTH, Prosecutor
Point of personal privilege.
CHERYL DAVILA
I disagree that you're not allowed to be..
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Please state your point of personal privilege. Go ahead, Fred.
FRED DODSWORTH, Prosecutor (PRACTICALLY SNARLING)
I really object to this process being called a kangaroo court. I think that the person who made that comment needs to actually have a little more respect for the process and the people involved in it.
21:20
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
We're going to be doing this strictly by Roberts Rules. Parliamentarian to advise us, and I will ask people not to just yell out, we need to be recognized. Go ahead.
We will find a citing in Robert's Rules of Order. But meanwhile, we're going to conduct the trial,
but not the trial, the disciplinary hearing. Go ahead Fred.
ANTHONY FEST, Rescue Pacifica
Excuse me? Point of order, I made a motion. It was never voted on.
21:46
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
The chair made the ruling. This is not a normal meeting, and we're going to go ahead with the agenda.
ANTHONY FEST, Rescue Pacifica
Can I contest the ruling of the chair?
21:56
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Okay, we'll put it to a vote.
PARLAMENTARIAN:
The chair's ruling has been appealed.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
The chair's ruling has been appealed.
I'll put it to a vote. Carol, will you please call...
ANTHONY FEST, Rescue Pacifica
Please, please, cite what this is about.
I want a voice vote on all that.
22:12
CAROL WOLFLEY - (Editor's note: starting to ask for votes) Carlos Kohan
PARLAMENTARIAN
Wait
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Anthony just said his point is he wants a voice vote rather than an electronic vote. So the question is, the chair ruled that motion out of order. The chair has been challenged, so we're going to take a vote on it.
Shall the chair's ruling be sustained and we continue with the electronic vote?
CAROL WOLFLEY
For now is that, my understanding, Christina, that is that we will now continue with the meeting. We will proceed with the meeting.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
No, we're gonna vote on the appeal first,
PARLAMENTARIAN: shall the chairs be sustained
22:50
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Shall the chair's be sustained, take your hands down?
CAROL WOLFLEY
Carlos Kohan
CARLOS KOHAN
Yes.
(Editor's note: The member voting on the challenge to the Chair's ruling has missed the important objections/points of order where the actual authority and legitimacy of the acting Chair herself was also challenged as being in direct violation of the By Laws. Anthony's challenge was regarding the Chair's refusal to vote in the agenda as well as requiring a voice vote for the vote on suspension. Only the latter was allowed to be voted on.)
22:52
ELIZABETH MILOS
Excuse me. He just came on.
22:57
VOTING
Emma Auer, we're in a vote.
22:59
I vote yes.
CAROL, Thank you, Emma votes yes. Daniel Borgström
23:09
DANIEL
Yes is for voice vote? Correct? yes.
ELIZABETH MILOS
Oh no, no, no, Daniel,
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
To sustain the chair.
Please stop yelling out. Elizabeth,
23:20
SEVERAL PERSONS SPEAKING
DANIEL
pardon I asked it. Yeah. When? Voting. Voice, yes is for voice vote or not.
Daniel please pay attention. I will come back to you
We're in a
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
A yes vote, Daniel, is to uphold the chair's ruling that we have an electronic vote. That's what it is. Daniel,. go ahead. (Editor's note: This was not a vote to approve the agenda)
23:42
Michael Cheng,
23:43
yes.
23:45
MICHAEL Yes.
CAROL, Michael yes Cheryl Davila,
23:49
CHERYL No.
CAROL Cheryl, no. Fred Dodsworth,
FRED yes,
CAROL Fred yes. Don Goldmacher,
GOLDMACHER yes.
CAROL Don Yes. Leslie Howard,
LESLIE yes.
CAROL Lesley, Yes. Zack Kaldveer
Kaldveer yes
CAROL Zack yes. James McFadden,
JAMES , no.
CAROL James, no. Elizabeth, Milos
ELIZABETH no
24:11
CAROL Elizabeth, no. Brian Crowell,
24:14
Oh, sorry he's not here. Candice Schott
CANDACE Yes.
CAROL Candice, yes. Catherine Tactaquin,
TACTAQUIN Yes.
CAROL Catherine, yes. Mark Van Landuyt,
MARK yes.
CAROL Mark, Yes. Steve Zeltzer,
STEVE no.
24:32
CARP; Steve No,
I want to recognize that Mark has joined the meeting.
24:37
Anthony Fest
ANTHONY No.
CAROL Anthony, no. Phillip Maldari,
PHILIP yes.
CAROL WOLFLEY
Philip Yes. Darlene Pagano, [NO ANSWER AND NO GETTING BACK TO PAGANO] uh Frank Sterling
24:48
Frank Sterling,
24:53
I want a voice vote. So no, I believe
24:57
CAROL Frank, no.
25:00
Richard Wolinsky,
WOLINSKY yes.
CAROL Richard Yes. Sherry Gendelman
SHERRY Yes.
CAROL Sherry Yes, starts to count. And the yes is approved.
25:10
Yes, is
25:11
Approved.
25:13
DANIEL BORGSTROM, Rescue Pacifica
You're going to come back to me?
My answer is no. My vote is no.
CAROL WOLFLEY
Oh, you changed your vote to
DANIEL No. My vote is no, I do not. I want a voice vote.
CAROL WOLFLEY COUNTING THE VOTES
1234567,
Okay, the yes is 13.
25:36
We can proceed
25:39
ANTHONY FEST
Now. I have a point of information,
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
That would be twelve yes votes, eight no votes.
25:46
PARLAMENTARIAN: The chair's ruling is sustained
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
The chair's ruling is sustained.
ANTHONY FEST
Now I have a point of information.
25:53
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
What's your point?
ANTHONY FEST
If this vote, voting is going to be by email, how will amendments and substitute motions and what have you ever be dealt with?
PARLAMENTARIAN: It will be dealt with before the vote.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS they'll be dealt with before the vote,
during deliberation
26:10
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Go ahead
ANTHONY FEST
So we will still have voice voting, except for some
[11:28 a.m.]
26:17
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
You'll be able to we'll have deliberation. You'll be able to discuss your opinion in deliberation in the usual way. So go ahead, Fred, go ahead and start your request.
26:33
FRED DODSWORTH, Prosecutor
The charge against Steve Zeltzer is allegedly assault and battery of a KPFA employee. The specification is that he allegedly grabbed a KPFA employee manager by the wrist when she was attempting to remove an unauthorized sign attached to the KPFA building on Martin Luther King way.
Peter, Please play The Video
PLAYING VIDEO OF INCIDENT AT THE STATION -- ABOUT 2 MINUTES LONG
(Editor's note: This is available to be viewed separately. It is not intelegible to transcribe as a secondary recording.)
29:2
[11:31 a.m.]
FRED DODSWORTH, Prosecutor
In the video, we saw the defendant grab KPFA business manager's hand or wrist. Peter, please share the screen photo that shows that he put his hands on her. Yet another man assaulting another woman.
(Editor's note: he used the plural "hands". The photo he refers to is a still taken from a millisecond inadvertent touch in an attempt by the defendant to retrieve a poster from Maria Negret's hand while she initiated the movement of removing it. The prosecutor's statement of "another man assaulting another woman" shows prejudicial attitude against the defendant, putting him a category of men who assault women)
Okay? Mr. Zeltzer grabbed the KPFA business manager and spoke with her, to her in a disrespectful manner. Battery is defined as any intentional and offensive physical contact, and grabbing an employee to prevent them from performing their duties qualifies as such. Assault is the creation of a reasonable fear of harm, which you can see in Maria [Negret], which can be inferred from Mr. Zeltzer's physical actions and tone of voice in the video. KPFA, employees must feel safe in their workplace. Mr. Zeltzer actually violated that basic principle, and they are adverse to the best interest of KPFA and the Pacifica network. Therefore, Peter, can you please post motion in the chat? Therefore, I move that KPFA Local Station Board find Mr. Zeltzer guilty of assault and battery of a KPFA employee with the specification that he grabbed the KPFA employee, our manager by the wrist, which was attempting to remove an unauthorized sign attached to the KPFA building on Martin Luther King way, a sign that he himself had removed and then immediately replaced. Secondly, I move this the board finds Mr. Zeltzer Guilty of the charge. Has specified that he be immediately suspended from the campaign Local Station Board and from any participation at all KPFA meetings and events for 18 months ending on May 10, 2026
(Editor's note: the video evidence shows him putting back up the sign that the employee had just taken down. This is the act, initiated by the employee that the defendant reacted to with an inadvertent touch to be able to retrieve it and put it back. The defendant did not remove it himself. This is a misrepresentation of the facts.
Editor's note: In RRO, there is no "prosecutor" but rather "managers" who present the case, (page 663 11th Edition) "Their duty, however, is not to act as a prosecutor-in the sense of making every effort to secure a conviction-but rather to strive that the trial will get at the truth and that, in light of all the facts brought out that the outcome will be just". This case has been frought since before the actual trial and during with direct accusation against one of the defendants in an Open List Serve, and innuendo during the "trial" about men who attack women, with snarly comments to members who present points of order, and even comments making veiled references to people who disrupt belonging to cointelpro operations, the latter comment being more in line with something that a Zionist entity like Canary Mission would do to disparage long standing activists and try to isolate them from fellow activists.)
31:22
CHERYL DAVILA, Rescue Pacifica
My hand is raised. May I be recognized? Please?
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Yes. Ms Davila,
31:29
CHERYL DAVILA
It's interesting how you say, you're using terminology as if she, as if they were guilty.
This the hand--
CHRISTINA HUGGINS:
This is not a---
CHERYL DAVILA
Could I finish please? Thanks
Anger and tone in Dodsworth's voice.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
This is not deliberation right now. This is statements.
You are not.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
You're out of order
CHERYL DAVILA
I'm making a statement.
31:55
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
You are out of order. You will be removed.
CHERYL DAVILA
May I finish please? You recognized me. I didn't finish. You interrupted me.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
I thought you had something relevant to the moment, but you do not. This is this is not deliberation.
CHERYL DAVILA
How is that not relevant? Can I make my point?
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
No, no you may not. The (unintelligible) will go on.
32:09
CHERYL DAVILA
The point is that anyone can take a picture---
CAROL WOLFLEY: I call the member to order.
SEVERAL PERSONS SPEAKING
CHERYL DAVILA
On her hand, the hand was above her hand---
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Would you please mute the member?
CHERYL DAVILA
or on the piece of paper, the way that the shot is taken. I'm just saying the way that your your
32:27
CHERYL DAVILA
The point is,
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
You will he removed. You will be removed from the meeting.
32:32
CHERYL DAVILA
The point is---You do what you gotta do-(she is being continuously muted)
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
This is dilatory. Please remove her from the meeting. Peter. Thank you.
CHERYL DAVILA
I can always unmute myself. But the point is---
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
You will be removed.
FRED AND CHRISTINA REMOVE CHERYL DAVILA FROM THE ZOOM MEETING, BUT THEY DON'T ANNOUNCE HER REMOVAL NOR FOR HOW LONG . CHERYL THEN SENDS AN EMAIL WHICH IS DISCOVERED BY ELIZABETH MILOS SOME MINUTES LATER.
32:39
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
The prosecution is making their point. Now go ahead, prosecution
ELIZABETH MILOS
Point of order.
FRED DODSWORTH
None the defenses
ELIZABETH MILOS
Point of order
32:48
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
If you
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
State your point of order,
32:52
ELIZABETH MILOS
The PNB [Pacifica National Board] directors have requested to be part of the, to be able to be, to see this proceeding, and they should be allowed to see it.
As the PNB has told them that---
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
We told them that they would be allowed already. This is irrelevant
33:08
ELIZABETH MILOS
They were not given the Zoom link number one, and number two---
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
You are dilatory.
ELIZABETH MILOS
zoom the chat, as the motion that Carol Wolfley is putting in the chat is only visible to Carol Wolfley and only visible to the KPFA ---
33:21
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
You're out of order. It's with your it's dilatory mode. Because you're a dilatory behavior
ELIZABETH MILOS
She's putting a motion in the chat, you can put in the motion in the chat.
Nobody else can put any motions in the chat?
The only one that's allowed to put a motion in the chat?
33:40
DODSWORTH
Point of order
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
This is the Robert's Rules of Order proceeding. This is not a normal LSB meeting.
Go ahead. Fred.
FRED DODSWORTH
There are multiple PNB members in this meeting at this time.
33:51
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you.
Go ahead with the prosecution. Fred.
FRED DODSWORTH
I'm done with the prosecution.
ELIZABETH MILOS
Can you name the Can you name the PNB directors present at this meeting for the record? Please?
34:01
DONNA CARTER
Yes. I request that also.
ELIZABETH MILOS Name the PNB directors who are present at this meeting.
34:08
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
People will not just yell out at this meeting. There will be order at this proceeding.
ELIZABETH MILOS
Then conduct the meeting in the correct way
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
You will you will not be yelling out at this meeting. If you continue, it will be removed. It is dilatory behavior. I will call upon Mr. Lafferty or to state the defense's position. The opening statement.
34:35
(Editor's note: the refusal to name the Pacifica National Board Directors present is also a violation. Even in the final report out of the trial does not contain the names of the members who were present. The refusal to name the PNB directors present at this meeting hinders the ability of the defense to take this to an appeal with the knowledge for the record of the PNB directors who would have witnessed this trial first hand. )
(Editor's note: It was later learned that the PNB Directors observing this "trial" were: Cerene Roberts, Jim Dingeman, Susan Young, and Teresa Adams.
JIM LAFFERTY, Attorney for the defendants
I am very conflicted at this moment.
34:39
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Pardon me?
JIM LAFFERTY, Attorney for the defendants
I'm sorry I have a terrible cold, and I'm simply not only aghast at what I've seen so far, but I'm very conflicted at this moment on doing anything.
Having been a long time admirer of this radio station, to be present at this, whatever the hell it is, and to observe it taking place is truly sad to me. It has no resemblance to due process. An Alice in Wonderland trial would be an improvement.
I'm, I've been at many, many LSB meetings in my life. I understand that they can get raucous. I understand people can speak out of turn, and I wish they didn't as well.
I understand the frustrations that arise in these situations. But to believe that this hearing is anything more than a naked, shamefully obvious political move on the part of a majority of this board, to get rid of some people whose opinions annoy them, that they don't like is clear. It's clear that that's what it's about. Now, with respect to the to the assault and battery, I find it interesting that the police report Mrs. Negret filed doesn't even specify what the assault and battery supposed to be, nor does it even mention the person that who supported supposedly from whom, supposedly, she was assaulted and battered
36:26
I can only tell you. I don't know if there are any other lawyers on this, but if so, the notion that this is, by any stretch of the imagination, an actionable assault and battery is again, simply evidence of the fact that who puts it forth as such wants to grab it, the only straw they can find, in order to try to get rid of somebody for political reasons. I won't even comment on it. Beyond that, it's sad in shameful.
You know, I I've been the head of the coastal Lawyers Guild show on KPFK, sister station, for over 30 years now. I was the general manager of KPFK for a year. General Manager.
I co-hosted a law disorder show which comes out of BAI which I'm happy to say is now in 150 markets in the country. And I've served a number of years, as I think I said, on the LSB, and so I understand that LSBs are not your normal institutions. Nevertheless, I have to believe that what is going on here, from all that I've heard, from all that I've read, would have Lew Hill spitting in his grave, for God's sakes. So let me just close with this one simple thought. One of the reasons why I'm so utterly appalled by being here today and having to be here today is because Pacific has enemies! For God's sakes, are not Steve and Elizabeth. No, our enemies. My enemies, your enemies. They're out of this goddamn room out this goddamn zoom for heaven sakes. They are, of course, those who are about to rule this country who [ ] into project 2025, to spell out that they want to shut down this entire network. And yet, here we sit, doing what we're doing today.
Have we all lost our minds?
38:44
to the secret
this glorious and wonderfully important station is spending its time doing this today. Doing this is so sad and so beyond the point. I don't know what to say. I want to be crystal clear, though. I nevertheless do not consider any one of you or any of those who may be missing from this board today to be my enemies. I consider, in fact, all of you to be my comrades, which is why I'm so distressed.
I feel you are my comrades. Now we are, apparently, and you on this board, apparently comrades too, who have some sharp differences. And I don't know, but what those of you that disapprove of the positions that Steve and Elizabeth take.
various types of this board,
and rational reasons for having those opposition to that? That's what how petty
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Your time is, have to wrap up.
JIM LAFFERTY, Attorney for the defendants
Well, I simply want to then say that I plead with all of us to remember that we're comrades, and our enemies . . . , and that we please can get back to the business that we should be at, because otherwise the bright future of this station is going to be removed from us. In fact, the whole damn thing is going to be removed.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you. I will call on our resident, our Counsel for LSB, Sherry Gendelman, to maybe she can shed some light on a couple of things that you've said. Go ahead, Sherry,
SHERRY GENDELMAN, Protector
Yes. Thank you very much for your remarks and your defense of Mr. Zeltzer and Ms Milos, Mr. Lafferty. I appreciate that California Penal Code defines a battery as an unwanted touching, that would a battery in the category of a misdemeanor, and I don't think--I heard some people laughing, describing the battery on Maria [Negret], the financial officer of KPFA, as a joke. Nobody can.
We, as members of KPFA, I think, are responsible to maintain a safe work environment for employees. This was an inappropriate interaction by members of the KPFA, LSB, and it does constitute a battery under California law. Let me emphasize that the distinction between an assault and a battery is that an assault is an attempt or a threat to use force and the battery is the actual completion of the assault. That's law.
(Editor's note: this "Counsel for LSB" position was never voted on, nor are there any provisions in the By Laws for LSBs to have attorney's on retainer to represent the LSB, even in an advisory capacity. This attorney was suspended from the PNB for 18 months which also meant that she should have been also suspended from the LSB, since the LSBs are standing committee's of the PNB. However, Christina Huggins, while she was Chair of the LSB-which she is not at this time-decided to bring in Gendelman as counsel, thereby directly contravening a PNB directive. This attorney created an entity called Pacifica Safety Net which sued Pacifica repeatedly in order to overturn the two different referendum votes seeking to make amendments to the By Laws. She also filed a Petition to Deny to the Federal Communications Commission, to take away the broadcasting liscense of WBAI, the result of which created the on-air fundraising difficulties for all five of the stations and put the entire Pacifica network under FCC monitorship. This was the content of Elizabeth and Steve's presentation at the Speak Out at KPFA on July 31st 2024: the fact that the monitorship by the FCC could place the entire network at risk not only for fundraising but also if the Trump administration came to power, the new Trump appointee could take away the non-profit non-commercial education status of the Pacifica broadcast licenses. That in itself should have disqualified her from even being on the Board ever again, much less being part of this charade.)
FRED DODSWORTH
Thank you, Sherry,
41:55
[11:44 a.m.]
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Go ahead and ask the prosecutor for their closing statement
FRED DODSWORTH, Prosecutor
The evidence against Mr. Zeltzer is undeniable.
You saw it with your own eyes. His actions on July 31st were intentional. You saw him take it down and then put it back up again. You saw him yank it out of her hand. He was explicitly advised by the KPFA employee that posting signs on the building without authorization is considered trespassing. Despite being informed of this, Mr. Zeltzer chose to ignore the request of the business manager to remove the signs and intimidated them. It is not appropriate or right of the board member to attach signs to it with accusatory statements about staff and board members on our buildings. The video evidence clearly shows that the employee's attempts to responsibly address the situation were met with physical resistance and taunting when the employee performing her duties by removing the unauthorized side, acted within her rights. Mr. Zeltzer escalated the situation by grabbing her wrist. This was no accidental contact. This was no inadvertent brush. This was an attempt to wrest control of her body from herself. This physical act of stopping her from doing her job was an intentional, deliberate and aggressive act of defiance, and he's lucky he didn't do it to me, aggressive grabbing of any individual is a serious offense, but there's additional significance when this action is taken against a woman of color. For KPFA, an organization founded on principles of social justice, equality and respect to minimize or justify such actions would be a betrayal of the values we stand for, and erode the trust KPFA has built with its staff.
ELIZABETH MILOS SEES THIS EMAIL FROM CHERYL DAVILA WHICH READS:
"They kicked me out. Get me back in."
(Editor's note: while DODSWORTH mentions a "woman of color" as the employee in question, the only woman of color on the LSB, a Black woman, Cheryl Davila was kicked out without notice to the board that she has been removed nor for how long and had not been able to hear the proceedings during a full XX minutes. Elizabeth below is attempting to ask CHRISTINA HUGGINS to allow her back in but keeps getting muted)
ELIZABETH MILOS
Excuse me. There's a Point of order.
43:55
FRED DODSWORTH, Prosecutor
I'm talking! You shut up!
43:58
CHRISTINA HUGGINS You are out of order.
ELIZABETH MILOS
One of our members, Cheryl --
44:04
CHRISTINA HUGGINS You are out of order.
ELIZABETH MILOS
Cheryl is not being allowed in. One of our members is not being allowed in.
ELIZABETH MILOS
Cheryl is not being allowed in.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
You're out of order.
ELIZABETH MILOS Please, allow our member
44:15
CHRISTINA HUGGINS Please mute her please
FRED DODSWORTH, Prosecutor
She's being muted repeatedly and unmutes herself.
Anyway, such actions would be a betrayal of the values we stand for and erode that trust KPFA has built within staff and community, particularly among women and people of color.
We also cannot underestimate the impact of physical intimidation on the workplace. Such intentional behavior demonstrates a blatant disregard for the rights of KPFA employees. We as a board must hold Mr. Zeltzer accountable for his actions. Therefore, I have moved that the KPFA Local Station Board find Mr. Zeltzer Guilty of the charge and stipulation, and secondly, that if the board finds Mr. Zeltzer guilty of the charge and specification, that he immediately be suspended-
ELIZABETH MILOS: The motion shouldn't---
FRED DODSWORTH
from the KPFA Local Station Board as proposed in my motion.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you. I will ask the Mr. Lafferty for your closing statement.
45:20
JIM LAFFERTY
Well no, I just uhh,
ELIZABETH MILOS: --Cheryl
ELIZABETH MILOS -not being
STEVE ZELTZER
I'm going to make my statement for myself, but there should be discussion with the board members.
ELIZABETH MILOS Cheryl Davila --
STEVE ZELTZER, Rescue Pacifica
But before. Cheryl, Cheryl Davila, who is a black, the only black board member of the KPFA Local Station board, has been excluded.
45:30
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Out of order. Mr. Zeltzer,
45:40
STEVE ZELTZER: This is my statement.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
No. You have an attorney representing you. I'm giving your attorney the ability to make this closing statement.
ELIZABETH MILOS No, we can make our closing statement.
45:54
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
No you can't.
JIM LAFFERTY, Attorney for the defendants
There's apparently no end to the Allison Wonderland quality of this hearing. Of course, a defendant can make that we have eight minutes, five minutes for an opening statement, three minutes for rebuttal, to suggest that I cannot, on behalf of my client, ask my client to use those three minutes.
I don't know what to say. Is there no, is there no common sense left here? Is there no decency left here? With respect to due process, what the hell are you talking about? A hearing in which the defendant cannot be heard?
46:38
CAROL WOLFLEY: Point of information
JIM LAFFERTY
Is this Pacifica? Is this Pacifica Radio?---
CAROL WOLFLEY: Point of information, Madam Chair.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
I'm actually going to let, I'm going to rule that the Mr. Zeltzer may speak to that
ELIZABETH MILOS
Point of order. Cheryl Davila is not being allowed to be into this---
46:52
PARLAMENTARIAN (always talking to Christina): Is that true? Is Cheryl Davila a member?
46:56
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Yes she's a member.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Sure. Cheryl Davila should be in the meeting.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
She was removed because she wouldn't stop talking
PARLAMENTARIAN She may be brought back in.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
but she may be brought back.
Let her back in. Please,
47:06
(Editor's note: Cheryl Davila was removed from the meeting for about 15 minutes, that constitutes almost the entire proceeding against Steve Zeltzer)
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Mr. Zeltzer, go ahead with your statement.
STEVE ZELTZER, Rescue Pacifica
Yeah. Well, I mean, it's interesting that the only black member of the board who's at this meeting has been excluded from participation in this discussion. But I want to start with the broader issue that is concerning me and that is the event that we were having. The press conference was about the monitorship of Pacifica. And this monitorship was brought about actually because members of this KPFA Station Board went to the FCC [Federal Communications Commission] and called on the FCC to take away the license of WBAI. Now I think that's a betrayal of the interests of Pacifica.
They did that. They continue to support that, and now that monitorship means that a new FCC Chairman appointed by the President Trump could immediately shut down Pacifica because it's already under monitorship. My concern is that Pacifica is under threat, and that's why we held our press conference, because we're concerned about the attack by the right wing, the fascists on Pacifica that has never been announced.
This monitorship of Pacifica to the members and listeners of KPFA or Pacifica nationally, I find that highly disturbing, the attack on democratic rights by the Trump administration and others in the Democrats as well the trials of Uhuru and others, I think, is being replicated here in this hearing. This is Trumpite-like. This is what is being presented here, because there is not a democratic process. And the action here, the video, the so called evidence, was not even presented to all the Local Station Board members before there was a vote. So how can you have a vote on to have a hearing when you don't even have the evidence of, purported evidence, be presented and was only presented to one side and was used in the election at KPFA? Imagine that there are people, the management of KPFA, allowed that the so called evidence--
49:28
CAROL WOLFLEY-- Time!
11:51 a.m.
STEVE ZELTZER ---not to be used-
CHRISTINA HUGGINS. Thank you
STEVE ZELTZER --This is an example of--
49:31
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
This is. Uum.
STEVE ZELTZER -travesty--
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Go ahead with deliberation.
PARLAMENTARIAN:
Closing statement
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Closing statement
FRED DODSWORTH: Christina, please.
Why don't we allow Elizabeth Milos to have her two minutes as well.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
She's not
This is not the proceeding for Elizabeth.
JIM LAFFERTY, Attorney for the defendants
Wait a minute. Wait a minute. This is not the proceeding, for God's sakes!
49:48
FRED DODSWORTH
My apologies.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
It was the proceeding for Mr. Zeltzer. This is not the proceeding for Elizabeth yet. Okay, she will get an opportunity.
We're not going to silence her.
So we'll go ahead and
PARLAMENTARIAN continue with the defense's closing statement.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Is the defense. Then continue with the defense's closing statement.
STEVE ZELTZER, Rescue Pacifica
The board members should be allowed to ask questions. Don't the board members --.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
This is not that kind of a meeting. We're going to go into deliberation. People will be able to ask all the questions in deliberation and talk to each other. That's
ELIZABETH MILOS
Excuse me. Point of order.
You've already stated---
50:25
ELIZABETH MILOS
Point of order.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
State your point of order.
ELIZABETH MILOS
You've already stated that we will be excluded from the deliberation. So how will the board be able to even ask the questions if we're going to be excluded from the deliberations? I mean, this is--
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
You chose not to testify.
You chose to have someone defend you, so we will now go for deliberations,
ELIZABETH MILOS
No, that's not what we chose. No. We chose somebody to present to be legal representative, so to be able to witness this travesty---
50:56
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
You're out of order at this point.
ELIZABETH MILOS
For the future---
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
I will. Mute her please. This is dilatory behavior.
JIM LAFFERTY
Excuse me, if I withdraw at this point, will they be allowed to then participate?
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
No, that's that's not , it doesn't have anything to do--
JIM LAFFERTY
But that's the excuse you just used. So I'm asking a reasonable question.-
CHRISTINA HUGGINS Its not an excuse--
JIM LAFFERTY
That's what you said, you said, the reason they could not be heard is because they chose to have a representative. I'm happy to withdraw from whatever this is, and therefore I assume they would be able to, because. Correct?
51:27
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
You get your defense closing statement. I've already ruled that. We've already been, excuse me, stop.
JIM LAFFERTY
You've already,
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
I've already let Mr. Zeltzer speak.
If this is your procedure, not Elizabeth Milos's,
51:43
JIM LAFFERTY
That's correct.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Will be subsequent opportunity to speak as well.
JIM LAFFERTY
I understand that.
I understand that. Thank you. That's not what we're talking about, although its hard to keep track for all of us. I realize that you me, all of us. It's a confusing situation. I'm saying something quite different. She has raised the question
I'm raising for her, whether or not now, as you go through deliberations, which are quite right, is what is now next to be done, as I read your agenda, whether or not she and whether or not Steve can participate that earlier, you had said not.
A moment ago, you said they chose to have a representative, myself, speak for them, and therefore they didn't have to be here. I could be here.
I simply, I simply asked if I may finish the sentence. If I withdraw from the room now, can, can then, and -- if we're talking about Steve -- certainly Steve then should certainly be able to be in the room right under your reason.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
No, that's not the correct procedure. This is not. I know that you're accustomed to a different procedure, because as an attorney, there are different rules for courts for civil and criminal, and we don't. There's not any criminal case at this point yet, but this, this is the procedure under Robert's Rules of Order. That's why I'm having a parliamentarian sitting next to me so he can advise me correctly on how to--
53:14
(Editors note: The above statement by Christina Huggins and underlined the section by the Editor "There's not a criminal case at this point yet" can easily be viewed as a threat by Christina who as presiding officer (illegitimately) is obligated to conduct the hearing in an impartial manner)
CHRISTINA HUGGINS (apparently talking to the PARLAMENTARIAN) Yeah,
JIM LAFFERTY
Yeah, just so I'm clear. I apologize. Just so you're I'm clear. You're saying that under Robert's Rules of Order, the two people accused [of ] offenses are not allowed to be present during the period, during the deliberation. Am I right? During the deliberation for Mr. Zeltzer's procedure,
Roberts Rules of Order will not be allowed?
53:41
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Yes, during the deliberation for Mr Zeltzer, Elizabeth Milos will be allowed to be there during the deliberation of Mr. Zeltzer, and Mr. Zeltzer, under the proper procedure under Robert's Rules of Order will not be allowed.
JIM LAFFERTY
I see. Which rule of Roberts Rules, by the way, are you citing that regard?
53:47
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Just a second.
It is Robert's Rules of Order, 12th edition. Section, 63 colon, 33 paragraph E,
(Editor's note: The PARLAMENTARIAN is whispering into Christina's ear the whole time)
JIM LAFFERTY
And what does it say?
PARLAMENTARIAN Read it. This sentence.
JIM LAFFERTY
There's lots about it, but I'm not familiar with this one. So please
54:04
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
When the closing arguments have been completed, the accused must leave the room if the trials before the assembly, rather than a committee, the managers defense counsel,
54:23
PARLAMENTARIAN -- the relevant portion.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Okay, that's the relevant portion. And F, after voting is completed, the accused is called back into the hall and advised of the result.
54:33
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
That's the procedure for Robert's Rules order, and that's how we're holding this. That's why I have a parliamentarian by. So now we will take
54:41
JIM LAFFERTY amazing
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
We can have
Raise your hands if you wish to speak.
54:46
CAROL WOLFLEY
Point of information,
Yes, Carol,
CAROL WOLFLEY
I'm wondering. Mr. Lafferty did not. Mr. Zeltzer had two minutes.
They had three minutes for closing remarks. I assume that the Chair was offering Mr. Lafferty the additional three minutes to complete closing remarks, if he wished.
55:07
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
That's correct.
55:12
JIM LAFFERTY
Let me--I always find myself at these meetings requiring to be honest myself, I took the five minutes to make an opening statement, which is what the agenda allowed. We were then given according to the agenda. For all I know that's been thrown up in the air, I don't know, but apparently the agenda passed, and therefore three minutes were to be allotted for a defense remark, rebuttal remark, if you will, closing remarks and closing remarks, if you will. And I said, instead of me taking those three minutes, I would give them to Steve.
Somebody's just now reminded me, apparently, that he only took two of those minutes, and so I'm being offered one more minute. Is that correct?
(Editor's note: A correction must be made to Jim Lafferty's comment, " apparently the agenda passed". There was not vote for the agenda. Only a vote about electronic voting versus voice vote, as stated by Christina Huggins when asked to repeat what we were voting about. )
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
That's correct.
JIM LAFFERTY
I give that minute back to you and hopeful, intelligent and thoughtful deliberation.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you.
56:09
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Now proceed with deliberations.
56:15
STEVE ZELTZER
Yeah, I don't.
I object to the fact that I and Elizabeth have been excluded from this hearing.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Elizabeth will be here.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
You're out of order. Steve, this is exactly how Robert's Rules of Order are, going by the book.
STEVE ZELTZER
Members have a right to vote.
You're saying that the people who are charged don't even have a right to vote.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Your objection been noted, and that's correct, and you'll be removed from
STEVE ZELTZER
Where does that say in the Roberts Rules order?,
56:44
CAROL WOLFLEY: (Unitelligible comment)
STEVE ZELTZER
What?
56:46
ELIZABETH MILOS
That should be put in the chat because it would be a matter of public record.
Because I read it for you. I've read it again, cited it. Read it. It is, it is now.
STEVE ZELTZER
You didn't cite on the issue of delegates being excluded from voting,--
57:06
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Please put Mr. Zeltzer in the waiting room. Zoom tech.
CHERYL DAVILA Point of order, will you just drop it in the chat. Point of order
DONNA CARTER: drop it in the chat.
FRED DODSWORTH: What are we dropping in this chat?
57:15
CHERYL DAVILA The part of the whatever you're stating that says the people are are not allowed to vote on this proceeding---
FRED DODSWORTH Its Robert's Rules of Order.
57:28
CHERYL DAVILA
Then you drop that section of the Roberts Rules of Order in the chat, in any other election, people are allowed to vote for themselves. So how's this a democratic process?
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
You may look it up if you wish. We're going to go into deliberation
ELIZABETH MILOS that section should be placed in the chat because----
57:51
CHERYL DAVILA
Because it's not, I'm not. It's no reason why you can't drop it in the chat.
FRED DODSWORTH Yeah, there is. It requires somebody to type it up. You can look it up. It's on the internet.
CHERYL DAVILA
You can look it up on the internet and drop it in the chat.
CAROL WOLFLEY
Point of information, Madam Chair, we do not have Robert's Rules of Order online.
58:13
Thank you.
CHERYL DAVILA
That is not true.
CAROL WOLFLEY
I do not have it.
58:18
If you have it, post it to the secretary, and I will share it.
58:24
ELIZABETH MILOS
Point of order. I'm still waiting for the parliamentarian to provide the original citation.
58:30
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Go ahead.
58:32
PARLIAMENTARIAN DAVID SHAPIRO
It's Robert's Rules of Order, 12th edition. Section, 63 colon, 33 paragraph, E, when the closing arguments have been completed, the accused must leave the room. That sentence, paragraph F, after voting is completed, the accused is called back into the hall and advised of the results.
58:58
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you. We will now go into deliberation.
59:01
FRED DODSWORTH
Can I make a statement?
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Yes.
FRED DODSWORTH, Prosecutor
You know, I grew up in the 60s. I was very politically active in the 60s. One of the biggest problems we had in the 60s was that some of the folks that we had in our committees were more committed to destroying our operations than they were to actually achieving anything. And we often suggested that those people might be, in fact, CIA or FBI agents, and I cannot say
(Editor's note: THIS IS SLANDER. It is also prejudicing the voting body and even intimidating the rest of their Protector members into falling in line otherwise they could be next. Also, procedurally, under what RRO would the manager or prosecutor be allowed to use time to make a statement? The times allotted were already decided by those making the charges. The acting chair and the Secretary should have ruled this statement out of order, not allowed FRED DODSWORTH to continue)
ELIZABETH MILOS
That is---
Point of Order!!!
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Point of Order. ELIZABETH!
SEVERAL VOICES
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Go ahead Fred,
FRED DODSWORTH, Prosecutor
Not saying that anyone is a CIA or FBI agents, But I am saying that the attitudes and the responses the actions are very much the same.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you.
59:49
SEVERAL PERSONS TALKING
CHERYL DAVILA
DITTO I agree.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Please do not.
We will try to be orderly in our discussion of this. Frank Sterling has his hand up.
Go ahead. Frank.
1:00:01
FRANK STERLING, Rescue Pacifica
Okay, hello. I just wanted to point out for everybody that there's been numerous times that people have hung signs on the KPFA building. I just remember a while back, the union actually flew a banner off the balcony upstairs facing the street. People have stuck signs on the front of the building on numerous occasions. This is the first time I've ever seen someone actually come try to tear them down. So I just pointed out that I think there's a long history of signs being stuck on the building, including the CWA, who literally flew a banner on the front of the building.
So I just don't understand why these particular signs had to come down that day, and why Maria [Negret] thought she had to go out and cause the confrontation and take the signs down.
If it was just, you know, I don't know if she was directed to go take him down, or just took it upon herself to take them down. Or, you know what policy she was following to take it down? I guess I heard Fred say something about there is unauthorized sign policy.
FRED DODSWORTH
I didn't say anything Frank.
FRANK STERLING, Rescue Pacifica
Oh, my mistake. But what it was called -- an unauthorized sign from hanging on the building. So that was just my point. I'm not trying to be long winded or anything, but people have hung signs on the building, probably since the building has been there.
1:01:34
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you. Frank, Carlos Kohan, I
I muted Carlos, you need to unmute yourself.
1:01:48
CARLOS KOHAN, Protector
Yeah, yeah, I'm back. Okay, thank you.
I'm gonna be totally honest. I hate all of this. I dislike the way Elizabeth and Steve, you're being accused and you're being treated. But I dislike more, how disrupting, how aggressive, how what you've been doing for months and years, and I think it's extremely destructive to the station we have fascism at the door. We have fascism at the door. And instead of treating each other this way, we need to work with each other. I don't understand, Elizabeth and Steve, why don't you join and work with us? I agree with Mr. Lafferty. I don't like this. Now, having said that, I need to save KPFA, and I need to work with the group, and I may dislike some of the programming at KPFA. I have differences, I'm sure, with Fred and all, but I am not here to destroy, to attack. I saw Elizabeth yell at a meeting at the end of when Amy Goodman was here, yelled to the whole group of hundreds of people there, yelling her, her.
And this is very destructive. Many investors and they are many people that donate to KPFA that don't understand the problems in and the whole attitude is so distracted, why don't you join and work we are trying to save KPFA. I have worked with socialist groups in Latin America, and I've seen them destroy each other while the fascism was having a field day that we are, we were fighting with each other. So, okay, thank you, but I think I got my point across.
(Editor's note: The introduction of an incorrect comment regarding my behavior at the Amy Goodman's meeting should have been called out of order by the Chair. It was not part of the charge stated at the beginning of the meeting)
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you, Carlos. I'm sorry. Anthony, you're next. And then Sherry Gendelman,
ANTHONY FEST
Not a problem.
I just wanted to point out case anyone doesn't know it, that protest is part of KPFA history. I was a news reporter at protests. When it was a news post, I would send reporters out to cover protests. It's part of our history, including at the building everyone around in 1999 when protests outside the building helped help save the station. So let's bear that in mind, protest was handful of people outside with some posters put up by blue tape. That is, that's less than small potatoes, and it was in their rights to protest because they are concerned about the direction the station is going. This meeting was supposed to be conducted under Robert's Rules, but let me read a passage from Robert's Rules about investigatory committees.
QUOTE, before any action is taken, baroness generally demands that the committee, or some of its members meet with the accused for frank discussion and to hear his side of the story. UNQUOTE.
I don't think that was ever done. You know, one more unacceptable part in this process. And meanwhile, we've been told that an assault and battery took place in that fraction of a second.
CAROL WOLFLEY: Time!!
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you, Anthony, I'll call on Sherry Gendelman now.
1:05:29
SHERRY GENDELMAN, Protector
Thank you. And my concern is our response to maintain a safe place for employees
My understanding is that Maria [Negret] came down and asked Steve and Elizabeth and the third person, and the third person whose identity I do not know, to remove the signs rather than arguing with her, since she is an employee at the station and engaging in a battery against her. Your responsibility at the station is to not abuse the employees and to make sure that they have a safe work environment, which I think was not maintained in this instance, and I don't understand why, as a employee in
CAROL WOLFLEY Time.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS Thank you. You're supposed to have two, four and two against. We're going to take three, four and three against. So the next --
1:06:56
CHRISTINA HUGGINS,
CHRISTINA HUGGINS Go ahead. What
1:07:00
ELIZABETH MILOS
Point of order.
1:07:02
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
State your point of order.
ELIZABETH MILOS
I believe that everyone on this board deserves a right to be able to voice their concerns regarding this disciplinary hearing. This is not a regular motion yourself as stated, this is a removal. Okay? So I think that everybody should be allowed. It should not be limited to two or three. Everyone should be allowed to give their opinion regarding this.
PARLAMENTARIAN -too much time
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
I think that I would like to allow everyone, but it would take too much time for everyone to speak, but I will allow more people to speak
FRED DODSWORTH
Point of order.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Go ahead, Fred.
FRED DODSWORTH
That third person in the video was Cheryl Davila.
1:07:42
ELIZABETH MILOS No, that's--
CAROL WOLFLEY Oh, no. No, that's not accurate.
1:07:46
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
No, that was not. That was not Cheryl. That's not accurate,Fred
FRED DODSWORTH
I apologize
That's okay. I'll call on, I'll take Cheryl
DONALD GOLDMACHER That third person was Rod Appeal from the Production Department.
CHERYL DAVILA
Its interesting that people are accusing me-
DONALD GOLDMACHER, Protector
Rod Appeal, from the
CHERYL DAVILA
Whose name wasn't called, I don't think so, please, and I'd like my time back.
1:08:07
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
I'm gonna allow--
1:08:10
The same but, and the point is, I got kicked out of the meeting. I'm not sure why. I never got to finish my statement---
1:08:21
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
I'm allowing you to speak now.
Go ahead, it's your turn to speak.
1:08:25
CHERYL DAVILA
You took my time. Are you giving it back?
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Yes. Go ahead.
CHERYL DAVILA
Trying to remain calm, because these meetings really are effing annoying, and all the way, in the way that it's conducted is really disrespectful, and the way that you call it, the terminology that's being used as if the people that are being accused falsely, as I can see, are being, the conclusions seem to be have been made, and it's, we don't know if that video has been tampered with. We don't know what the authenticity of the video.
I was, it's not funny. I mean, you know, Its not funny..so can...you know..you're in a meeting, I don't know. But anyway, point is, this seems really wrong, disrespectful and rude. How the presentation that was given by Dodsworth in the beginning, his anger, his face was red, and he was all blown up.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
It's time. And thank you. Thank you. We'll now take, Donald. Go ahead, Donald.
Donald, you need to unmute yourself. Donald.
1:10:05
DONALD GOLDMACHER, Protector
Thank you. Just looking at the video evidence and the allegations I would see in the following the so called press conference that these two individuals engaged in was actually designed to promote this disinformation that the FCC petition was designed to have the WBAI license removed. The petition said quite the opposite. It merely asked that the station clean up its act, which it clearly didn't want to, so as to not violate FCC rules and regulations. So the whole premise of this action was a ruse designed to discredit the lawful actions of the Pacifica Safety Net, and we haven't yet talked about the psychological impact of Mr. Zeltzer's, actual physical behavior on the employee such behavior clearly causes an acute stress reaction, and people who are recipients of physical engagement, and we should take that into account as we take a vote. Lastly, I would point out that-
CAROL WOLFLEY Time!
DONALD GOLDMACHER
engages in disrupting these meetings every time he's here, why
You're Time is up.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you. Don Donald, Mr. McFadden,
JAMES MCFADDEN, Rescue Pacifica
What we saw was a staff bookkeeper who initiated a confrontation with two protesters, two protesters in front of the free speech radio station. The irony is apparently lost on the prosecutor. The confrontation was initiated by the bookkeeper. While filming the confrontation between Milos and the bookkeeper, Zeltzer tried to simultaneously grab back a poster that the bookkeeper was pulling down, and for less than one second, brushed against her hand. Anyone who calls this minor touching assault and battery is risking their integrity.
And if this is assault and battery, then every time I've gotten on BART at rush hour, I've been assaulted and battered. Any board members who go along with this conviction, being run by a person who is not an LSB member, is risking their integrity. I was most amused by the prosecutor's comment that if Zeltzer had done that to him, he would have --, and then didn't finish his sentence. He would have what? Assaulted and battered Zeltzer? It's really amazing the kind of prosecution has been going on here. Then this comment that these protesters are infiltrators, trying to perform that function --
CAROL WOLFLEY Time!
JAMES MCFADDEN, Rescue Pacifica
for six years, I've experienced this.
CAROL WOLFLEY Time!
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
I will now call on Darlene.
1:12:48
[12:14 p.m.]
DARLENE PAGANO, Protector
I'm not sure that I am speaking for or against. What I'm speaking is to bring to everyone's attention, over and over, if needed, that what is the subject is the way Steve Zeltzer went after Maria [Negret] is not about who thinks what, who in the past is choosing who of What. It's about this guy going after Maria, and that is what it is, trying to drag it off, here, there and everywhere, keeps it away from the point. And I'd like to, I'd like to have the point be addressed. And that is, I don't know if that's a for or against, but thank you for calling on me.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you. Darlene,
Anthony, you've spoken already. I'm going to call on Daniel. Borgström, go ahead. Daniel,
DANIEL BORGSTRÖM, Rescue Pacifica
Yes, Daniel. Daniel Borgström here. I generally don't say too much at these meetings, or elsewhere, but I do write. I've been attending KPFA meetings for like two decades now, for something like 20 years, and I've written a lot of articles. And basically, the things that Elizabeth and Steve have said, and are being accused of saying, I have said in writing, I've said in articles, numerous articles. And thinking of that, I kind of wonder, why are they being accused? Why am I not being accused of something today? Why am I not on trial? I really wonder.
Thank you.
1:14:42
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you. Elizabeth Milos,
1:14:48
ELIZABETH MILOS
Yeah, addressing Sherry Gendelman's statement about being, making sure that KPFA is a safe place for staff members and. I would like to call attention to the fact that Frank Sterling was also a staff member. He's also an LSB member, and it seems like the selective, it seems like the practice selective enforcement of the rules has been the norm in this KPFA, Frank Sterling was attacked by Sharon Adams from public comment during a legal case that was actually pending before him in Antioch police, and a year later, Fred Dodsworth, an LSB member, attacked Frank Sterling making accusations of him defending a woman who would punch somebody else and committed assault, which the actual court case had already proven was not the case. That was basically slander against Frank Sterling. And nobody came to the defense of Frank Sterling as an LSB member being attacked during public comment. He was not, the person, Sharon Adams who was making that. was not it was not even muted, which would have happened to us numerous occasions so selective use of power and abuse of power by this KPFA LSB is very, very clear at this moment.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you. Donna Carter,
1:16:15
DONNA CARTER, Rescue Pacifica
Hello, I've been on the LSB for two or three years here now, and I want to comment about who makes decisions and what the attitude of the people who make the rules for these LSBs, not the Roberts Rules, the rules, their rules, or your rules. There's a presumption of property. You're acting as if it is your property and your right to make all the decisions. You are not staff people. You are elected by the community, as are many of us. All of us are, actually. And it's really frustrating as a relative newcomer to this situation to assume that what you have to say is better than what those who disagree with you have to say. And the decisions are made that way, and I want that to be unjust and unfair [] Pacifica, our way of functioning.
[12:19 p.m.]
1:17:27
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you.
We will now be voting guilty or not guilty on the matter of whether or not they find the defendant guilty of the charge of assault and battery of a KPFA employee. And also guilty of the specification that he grabbed a KPFA employee manager by the wrist when she was attempting to,
ELIZABETH MILOS
I like to consult with our lawyer.
(Editor's note: The restriction of the Chat only to the Secretary made it impossible for one of the defendants to communicate with their attorney)
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Do not speak out!
And whether she was attempting to remove an unauthorized site attached to the KPFA building on Martin Luther King way on July 31, 2024.
ELIZABETH MILOS
I made a motion to suspension of the rules, given that the chair is not an LSB delegate,
1:18:06
(Editor's note: the suspension of the rules was because Elizabeth Milos could not declare the chair vacant, due to the Chair's absence because the Acting Chair was neither appointed nor elected to be acting chair and she is not allowed to be chair according to our By Laws. The suspension of the rules motion should have been followed by "Is there a Second?" But CHRISTINA HUGGINS did not do so. It would've allowed the illegitimate acting chair to be unseated and replaced by an LSB member but would've needed a 2/3 vote to replace her. Even if this proceeding were strictly following RRO --which it was not-and without taking into consideration the By Laws-which it was also not doing--The Suspension of the Rules motion, would've allowed the body to suspend the normal rules and carry out actions that are against its own rules.
The act of not calling for a second and discrediting the motion as a dilatory motion she has invalidated the only mechanism that she may have had to carry out this "trial" in this fashion, with such a disregard for the rules. She herself disqualified herself under RRO.)
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
It's a dilatory motion. Thank you.
We'll now go into the penalty discussion. We'll now take up to two persons alternating speaking for and two persons speaking against the proposed penalty, which is that if the board finds Mr. Zeltzer guilty of the charges, specified that he be immediately suspended from the KPFA Local Station Board and from participation in all KPFA LSB meetings and events for one and a half years, ending on May 10, 2026
So we will now take two, four and two against
ELIZABETH MILOS
I object to this motion that Steve Zeltzer is not allowed to participate.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
You are out of order. I ruled on that already. You are out of order.
I will now take Darlene, and let Darlene go. Call on Darlene.
1:18:57
DARLENE PAGANO
I beg your pardon I didn't take my hands down properly. Thank you.
1:19:03
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Okay, so we will now take two for and two against. So I will call on Anthony Fest now.
1:19:11
ANTHONY FEST, Rescue Pacifica
Yeah, we've been told this was an assault and battery. If it really was such, why didn't you contact the DA's office and they prosecute Steve Zeltzer? Most likely because you wouldn't want to be laughed at -- a fraction of a second of inadvertent contact when the business manager was actually the initiator of the confrontation. And meanwhile, our prosecutor says that this incident is aggravated because it involved a woman, and then a moment later, he tells a female LSB member to shut up. Yeah, that's real respectful, too. That's all I have to say for the moment.
1:20:01
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you, Anthony. I'll now call on Candice Schott.
CANDICE SCHOTT, Protector
I'm supporting a yes vote on the proposed penalty of suspension, where grabbing a person in such an aggressive way can be both physically and emotionally harmful. I'm guessing it's also pretty frightening to any staff who were inside the building at the time of the incident, and I find it usually concerning that anyone, let alone an LSD member, would act in such records disregard and employees rights. I believe it also reflects badly on KPFA as an organization.
1:20:40
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you. I'll now call on Ms Davila. Go ahead Cheryl,
1:20:46
CHERYL DAVILA
I think it. It also doesn't represent KPFA as a good organization, and I'm not happy about this whole situation. I was there after the incidents occurred. There was no issue going on. The police weren't called, no ambulance, you know. And, and, as Anthony said, she was the aggressor. She was one that was standing there with her hands on her hips, talking in an aggressive manner. And, and, and then, you know, decided to take down. And, you know, smarts are interesting. You know, when you're on a zoom and you're supposed to be serious, and the domination of the Protectors is really, really not democratic. And these meetings are held in such a really disrespectful, rude, aggressive way, and this is such a waste of time and you disregard, of course, racism in this room
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Your time is up. Ms Davila, thank you. will be
you will be muted.
1:22:05
CHERYL DAVILA
I hope all of your time's up.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
You are out of order now.
1:22:10
MARK VAN LANDUYT, Protector
Yeah, so if it would be useful to the proceedings, I've taken the surveillance footage and I've zoomed in to the occurrence and slowed down the footage, and if people would like to make the determination, if it's a brush or grab or anything along those lines, I'm happy to share it. If anyone would like, would give me the permission to share screen. I can show you the video at that exact moment. If it would be helpful to proceedings, I will let that to be at the discretion of the chair and everyone else here.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Yeah, it's actually that should have probably been in the proceedings. I appreciate that Mark, and maybe we can send that over the, well, that's just no, not, not right now. But thank you. I appreciate that, and I think that we showed up a freeze frame that showed him holding her wrist, grabbing her wrist, so we already have actually did have that evidence. So we've had now two for two against. So we will now, meeting administrators, please post the email address and phone number for voting in the chat board members. Please look for your email ballot or phone the meeting administrator to vote, and you should write guilty or not guilty on the charge, and guilty or not guilty on the specification, and yes or no on the proposed penalty.
1:23:32
Could you write down the phone number? Please put it in the chat.
Could you put that in the chat? Meeting administrators,
MEETING ADMINISTRATOR
I will put it in
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you.
Please submit your vote to the KPFA meeting administrators. They are due back 30 minutes from now. We will now take a three minute break for voting
1:23:54
[12:26 p.m. VOTING]
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THIS IS THE BALLOT THAT WAS SENT BY EMAIL
CONFIDENTIAL Ballot for Disciplinary Hearing 1
KPFA LSB Members, Below is your secret ballot
for the KPFA LSB Diciplinary Hearing Nov.16 2024 for Steve Zeltzer
Please write your name and a 5 character code with letters and/or numbers for your recorded identity
My name is: My code is:
Please put an X next to GUILTY or NOT GUILTY after each charge and specification:
I have moved that the KPFA Local Station Board find Mr. Zeltzer guilty of Assault and Battery of a KPFA Employee
GUILTY NOT GUILTY
With the specification that he grabbed a KPFA Employee, Manager by the wrist when she was attempting to remove an unauthorized sign attached to the KPFA building at 1929 Martin Luther King Jr. Way on July 31, 2024
GUILTY NOT GUILTY
Proposed Penalty: Please vote by putting an X next to YES to indicate your agreement with the proposed penalty or next to the NO to indicate your disagreement.
And secondly I move that if the board finds Mr. Zeltzer guilty of the charge as specified that he be immediately suspended from the KPFA Local Station Board and from participation in all KPFA LSB meetings and events for one and a half years, ending on May 10, 2026."
YES NO
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ELIZABETH MILOS
Again. I object to secret voting.
CHERYL DAVILA I object too
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
It must be secret voting for Robert's Rules of Order.
I've already ruled on that. Please go ahead and vote.
ELIZABETH MILOS
The political purge and secret voting has no place in Pacifica.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
You will be Muted.
1:24:16
CHERYL DAVILA Thank you. Tick tock. Instead of talking in I, you should say it's been ruled not so personal.
1:24:24
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
We are recess for three minutes.
1:24:28
FRED DODSWORTH So we Reply to meetings@kpfa.org
Got it from meetings@kpfa.org or you may phone if you are unable to vote by email, you may phone, 415-294-1483,
SHERRY GENDELMAN, Protector
Can you repeat that in a phone number? Because I didn't get the email?
CAROL WOLFLEY Oh, yes, 4152940,
1:26:02
CAROL WOLFLEY
Again, the voting on charge on the specification, on the penalty, so guilty or not guilty on the charge, guilty or not guilty on the specification, and yes or no on the proposed penalty, and it is to KPFA meetings notified.
1:26:30
Correct?
Yes on it, it, it, yes.
CAROL WOLFLEY
I don't know how it shows up in your email.
Kpfa.org,
1:26:42
Yes. Okay, thank you.
1:26:48
And no,
CAROL WOLFLEY
You have your hand up or something?
Yes, there's three. I think these are all left over from
CAROL WOLFLEY
Darlene, your hand is still up. Sherry, your hand is still up.
I didn't know.
DARLENE PAGANO
Sorry. My hand is up because I'm not finding the email. But I don't blame anybody. I'm using a borrowed laptop, so I'm not as skilled as I
1:27:21
Well, it said the Google subscriber is who I know.
If that's correct, then I did it.
CAROL WOLFLEY
did they answer you?
No, I was on,
I imagine that they got quite a few calls all at the same time. Okay, you may test that number if you are unable to get a voice.
Can you get a voice, please?
Okay, I know you have multiple email addresses.
Yes. So, yes, so that's why I'm having a hard time. I'll be happy to do a text. I'll do it now.
Cheryl, did you have a question about voting?
1:28:18
CHERYL DAVILA
Yes, I do have a question, what if someone want to oppose a substitute motion?
1:28:25
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
We are that
1:28:27
CHERYL DAVILA
You would have stated earlier, that would be part of the process which it wasn't a part of the process.
1:28:34
We are now in the voting process.
CHERYL DAVILA
Yeah, but you skip the step. How are you going to handle that?
You skip this step because you didn't give us an opportunity.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
We are on a break. This is not a deliberation time.
This is just if the discussion, if you need to vote,
1:28:58
CHERYL DAVILA
Yeah, we have to play by all your false rules.
1:29:06
CAROL WOLFLEY Sherry, did you have a question?
1:29:10
SHERRY GENDELMAN, Protector
My question was, but I can text to the number?
Yes, you can text to the number, guilty or not guilty on the charge guilty or not guilty on the specification and yes or No on the penalty for public
1:29:54
I said they were gonna have substitute motions, and then they didn't have the.
ANTHONY FEST, Rescue Pacifica
So it's obvious we have no ability to propose alternate motions,
1:30:17
CAROL WOLFLEY Not at this point. We are now in a voting period and on a break.
1:30:38
ELIZABETH MILOS
I'd also like to make a challenge to the vote of Carlos Khan because he wasn't part of the deliberations or the initial opening statements, or either the rebuttal statements. He came on afterwards, and he was not able to listen to the entire proceedings to be able to make an informed to the vote.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
This is not a time for deliberation.
1:31:05
ELIZABETH MILOS
I'm just stating for the record for future legal reference. Thank you,
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Carlos, did you want to raise your hand, unmute,
1:31:17
CARLOS KOHAN, Protector
Yes, I joined. I heard the prosecutor, I heard the defender. I don't recall what else, but I heard most of the proceedings. I don't know what the issue is.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you.
1:31:34
ELIZABETH MILOS
It was reported that you had come on later, it was reported officially that you came on later.
1:31:41
CARLOS KOHAN, Protector
No. I heard the full prosecution, I heard the full defense, I heard the two comments afterward from each side, and I even was able to participate in the deliberation.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you. I'm going to call the meeting to order now. Hopefully people have had an opportunity to vote, and we're going to go forward with the disciplinary hearing for Elizabeth Milos. Please remove Elizabeth Milos from the meeting.
CAROL WOLFLEY Oh, not yet.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS Not yet. I'm sorry, following, following the same format. I'm going to
ELIZABETH MILOS
Point of order.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
State your point of order.
ELIZABETH MILOS
You're not allowing Steve Zeltzer to be back into the meeting to be able to be part of this deliberation, be part of this?
Yes, he can come back.
ELIZABETH MILOS
Okay, then please allow him back.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Your point of order is well taken. Please make sure you admit.
He's admitted.
Thank you.
Okay,
So I will now call on the prosecution for their opening remarks.
1:32:46
STEVE ZELTZER, Rescue Pacifica
Can you let me know the results of the vote?
When we have it yes, we will.
Proceed. Ms Milos removed from the, Oh, she's here.
She's here. Still good.
Okay, go ahead.
PROSECUTION OF ELIZABETH MILOS BEGINS
FRED DODSWORTH, Prosecutor
Elizabeth Milos is charged with allegedly making inaccurate statements in a public meeting about the alleged assault and battery, which gave me a employee manager. The first specification is that the defendant allegedly made inaccurate statements at an online zoom Pacific fight back sponsored event about the alleged assault and alleged battery of a KPFA employee on July 31 2024 for the KPFA building, this included an accusation of making a false report. Peter, Please play the other record, the audio recording of the event.
Point of order
Can't hear it.
1:34:06
Peter.
One moment.
1:34:12
Thank you.
1:34:19
I believe we're still having challenges with the voting, and they're trying to handle the challenges of the voting facility.
1:34:33
Thank you.
I have a transcript.
1:34:40
Can I can I scan the interim while we're working on this?
1:34:47
Okay? Thank you, Peter.
1:34:51
Ask a question
Right now, I'd like to just check in if anybody is having trouble voting.
HERE THE PROSECUTION PLAYS A RECORDING OF ELIZABETH MILOS SPEAKING AT A PACIFICA FIGHT BACK TOWN HALL on August 29th, 2024:
ELIZABETH MILOS
(Editors note: this is a recording from a Pacifica Fight Back town hall)
"The latest thing that July, 31
"First, recently, the Protectors put out an email to sent out an email [ ] also having attacked the female employee. That's a bald faced lie.
"On July 31 we had a speak out in front of KPFA where we put posters on the walls, and the business manager came out, and attacked us. Now none of the candidates were there. This was a Rescue Pacific event, but none of the candidates were there. And it was not a candidate event. It was a press, it was a speak out to talk about the FCC monitoring of Pacifica and who was responsible for that, they tried to silence our voices, and she came out and took one of the posters off the walls, and one of the members who were with us basically just took the poster away from her, and she subsequently. We invited her to call the police if she felt we were doing anything illegal. No. Police were called. Nothing. Then we got an email -- sent out to everybody. Protector sent out an email to everybody."
ELIZABETH MILOS
Okay, saying that we had attacked. Now we need to let people know who these people are. They are. They are liars, and they're trying to use, apparently, the fear of police or the alleged calling of the police basically making a false report, and they didn't name anybody in their Message,
1:36:39
[12:36 p.m. -- 31 participants]
Go ahead,
FRED DODSWORTH, Prosecutor
Please post the picture for the video.
The defendant stated one of the members who were with us basically just took the poster away from her. This clearly misrepresents and minimizes the fact that Mr. Zeltzer grabbed the KPFA employee by the wrist.
And Administrator, if you could show a copy of the police form, the defendant stated, we invited her to call the police so that we were doing anything illegal. Can see she's he's literally got her by the wrist right there.
If you can now show the report, please show a copy of the police report.
Stated that "We invited her to call the police and we felt we were doing anything illegal. No police were called, nothing."
This is not accurate.
Mrs. Negret has reported that she filed a police report about the July 31st, 2024 incident with video evidence show that the evidence was submitted. The actual police report stipulates that it is not for distribution, so we're not going to show you that, because it's stated it's not for discipline, but we do have a proof that the files were filed.
Please note, honor board confidentiality, the Local Station Board members are required to keep all job performance information related to management paid and update staff and volunteers confidential to be shared only within closed session LSB meetings. For these reasons previously stated, I move that the KPFA and Local Station Board find Ms Milos Guilty of the charge that she made because she made the inaccurate statements in a public meeting about the alleged assault and battery of a KPFA employee and manager, and as specified, she made the inaccurate statements at an online event about the alleged assault, the battery of a KPFA employee in front of the KPFA building. This pollutes an accusation of making a false report, and has further specified that Ms Milos discussed the work performance of the KPFA a employee in an accusatory manner in a public setting, outside a closed executive session, in violation of KPFA LSB standing rule. And secondly, I move that if the board find Ms Milos guilty of the charge and one or more of the specifications that should be immediately suspended from the KPFA Local Station Board and for participation in all KPFA LSB meetings and events for one and a half years, ending on May 10, 2026.
Peter, please post The third part three part motion in the chat, and please send the email ballots.
FRED DODSWORTH Okay, the defense now can respond.
(Editor's note: the copy of the police report that was presented did not contain any information. No description of what happened and the name of the suspect
1:39:34
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Mr. Lafferty, would you like to make your opening remarks for up to five minutes for the defense?
ELIZABETH MILOS Mr. Lafferty, if I may,
1:39:48
CHERYL DAVILA He's muted.
1:39:51
CAROL Kohan. He has to unmute. You're muted. Mr. Lafferty, you.
1:40:02
You're muted. We cannot hear you.
FRED DODSWORTH
We can see your smirk, but we can't see or hear you. Can't hear you.
JIM LAFFERTY
I can see the expression on your face clearly, so I'm sure you can see expression on my face clearly as well, sir.
And the smirk doesn't begin to do it justice, frankly,
but in any event, by way of an opening stick, as I say, I can be very brief in this.
Has anybody noticed that until this moment, the accused in the complaint was not told the date of any of these violations with respect to statements that she made, was not told the place where these statements were made. And therefore, in advance of the hearing herself, until in fact, about a minute ago, was not presented with any facts which she could prepare to defend herself against. [ ] surprised me, having now sat here for a couple of hours and watched whatever this is transpired. I just thought I should mention it again.
Frankly, I'm going to let Elizabeth use whatever time she wants this, because it's so insulting, really. And when I as I was sitting here and listening to this again, I'm thinking back that my organization, the National Lawyers Guild, for example, long ago, got rid of Robert's Rules of Order. It's a capitalist, oppressive tool to be used. We don't use it in the Lawyers Guild anymore, as I think we're the leading human rights Bar Association of the country. You can smirk, Madam, if you wish, but that is what the water scale is, and why it made that decision. You choose to use it, okay, but again, the idea that you can use that in a situation like this, and bear any resemblance that think that this is something to do with Pacifica Radio, but what Lou Hill had in mind, what, what the great station of KPFA has been doing for generations, is ludicrous. It's simply ludicrous. It's shameful, my friends, my comrades, I urge you to stop this process, to stop this, this dismemberment, if you will, of what Pacifica is really all about.
To say that it lacks due process and democracy and fairness does not to begin to describe it. I don't know what to compare it to. As I say, I think I made some reference earlier to Soviet show trials or something. But short of that, I don't know what else to say. It's certainly not worthy of KPFA. I'll be I'll tell you what I've done. It's ultimately not worthy of KPFK or KPFA or WBAI, I or any of the affiliate sessions to be doing what you're doing here today. Now, Elizabeth, I give the rest of my time over to you, dear, if you'd care to make any comments.
1:43:00
Yes.
1:43:02
ELIZABETH MILOS
Yeah. How much time am I allotted?
1:43:05
FRED DODSWORTH
Whatever's left of my five minutes left three minutes.
ELIZABETH MILOS
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, and this is not part of the rebuttal or opposing statement. This is part of the opening statement, just for the record. I would argue that basically the statement that I made actually proves the fact. That the video proves the fact that it was not an intention to grab anybody but the poster. It was. It's very clear, also, if they're referring to the Pacifica town hall meeting that was held on August 29th, I did not mention Maria Negret's name whatsoever. But I'd like to point out that Fred Dodsworth, during the KPFA candidate its form on August 14th, actually said that, basically made that accusation publicly. He also, there was also on the August 19th KPFA Protectors email sent to all KPFA members regarding an assault on a KPFA employee. And later during the KPFA open list serve, Fred Dodsworth directly, directly accused Steve Zeltzer, of making this as saying he had access to the film, referencing a film on September 9, which none of us had any access to whatsoever, previously or since, until much later, until after the charges were preferred. Also with regard to the I responded to that KPFA Open Meeting list of because it was sent openly. And so this also violates the confidentiality rules that one would assume would be regarding a KPFA employee because of the fact that there was a direct accusation made against Steve. The report was filed two weeks later, and if that were the case, then the Antonio Ortiz general manager would be negligent if he had not, in not filing it on the same day that the supposed assault and battery would have occurred.
1:45:16
[12:47 p.m.]
Your time is up
1:45:18
CHRISTINA Prosecution, your closing statement up to five minutes, three minutes, actually, three minutes.
Go ahead, Fred,
1:45:41
FRED DODSWORTH, Prosecutor
We've heard the defendants inaccurate statements in a public meeting about what happened on July 31. There's a big difference between taking a poster away from someone and grabbing them by the wrist, and we have seen the documentation that evidence was submitted in a police report. Ms Milos also crossed the line by publicly speaking in a public setting about KPFA minutes this manager's actions. KPFA rules are explicit. Board members are required to keep employee and work performance information.
KPFA values accuracy and reporting and the protection of employee rights to publicly, deny, minimize or attempt to justify someone aggressively grabbing that KPFA employee is a violation of the employee's rights as adverse to the best interests of the Pacifica foundation. For these reasons, I move that KPFA Station Board find Ms Milos guilty of the charge, and the first and second specifications, and secondly, that if the board finds Milos guilty of the charges and one or both of the specifications, that she should be immediately suspended from the KPFA Local Station Board as proposed.
And I would just like to add a little addition to that for Mr. Lafferty: say hi to Jim Wolman and Norton to be there. People I know, and I've known for 40 years.
1:47:08
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you. Mr. Lafferty, you have a defense closing remarks for three minutes, and
I don't know,
JIM LAFFERTY
I've happily given those over to Elizabeth Milos, okay.
Thank you.
ELIZABETH MILOS
Thank you. Jim.
There. I have presented the deposition that MARIA NEGRET filed on behalf of the opposition during the Vernile case, and that would most likely be part of the reason why I'm being silenced, as well as the fact that we were there to denounce the role of KPFA LSB members here present, in the presentation of the "Petition to Deny," which is what it's called, regarding the [].
It's interesting about the confidentiality issue, when Christina Huggins herself as LSB chair at the time, sent an email directed to Arthur Schwartz. That's part of the documentation that I sent as evidence here.
This evidence here, directed to Arthur, sent to Arthur Schwartz with a CC to Stephen Jaffe, the opposing counsel, where she outlines the private conversations that she had with Stephanie Wells in regard to Stephanie Wells response to the conversation she had had with Arthur Schwartz, which are considered confidential conversations. And she outlines it includes CC Stephen Jaffe at the opposing counsel. This was an email that was sent. It was part of the public record where Christina Huggins herself violated confidentiality rules in that respect.
She should not [ ] and also Maria Negret. The first person she contacted was Stephen Jaffe, the opposing counsel when the leads took place on November 28 and she took two full days before she even contacted Antonio Ortiz and by phone and Stephanie Wells, the executive director. So Christina Huggins, by the way, which the text messages confirmed, had her lawyer, personal lawyer was also Stephen Jaffe, and she was privy to information that she should not have been privy to as well. So there's a serious confidentiality [issue] here, and serious conflict of interest in regarding this proceedings, because I have been involved in exposing this fraud of an LSB which does not represent the interest of Pacifica, which has whose members have been continuously violating Pacifica rules. And I would ask all the rest of the LSB members here that purging political opponents, according to history has been known, that it doesn't stop here. So I would recommend people ask themselves: Who is coming next?
1:49:54
[12:52 p.m.]
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you. We'll now go into deliberation for 15 minutes.
The finalists will now be moved to the virtual waiting room. They will not proceed with deliberation. The prosecution has made a motion for the board to fund the defendant guilty of the charge and the two specifications, each board member will have up to one minute to speak specifically on the matter of whether or not they fund the defendant guilty of the charges and specifications. So please remove Elizabeth Milos into the waiting room.
ELIZABETH MILOS
I again object for the record that your Christina Huggins is not a delegate and also has serious conflict of interest.
1:50:37
CHRISTINA HUGGINS Please don't call out.
CHERYL DAVILA
For the record I agree with Elizabeth Milos
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you. People got their hands up here.
Borgström
Mr. Borgström, go ahead.
DANIEL BORGSTRÖM, Rescue Pacifica
Yes. I just wanted to point out some of the irony here. That the accuser, or prosecutor, whatever you call him, Fred Dodsworth is doing the accusing. He has done more of this himself, than he's accusing these people of saying things out of line. Well, he himself.
I remember the time he went and attacked, he attacked Frank Sterling and during a public meeting, the public session of an LSB meeting, accusing him, imply or saying that he was guilty of a charge.
He has done things like that, and here he is. And here this guy, Fred Dodsworth, who's guilty of a whole bunch of that stuff, is accusing anybody of anything. He shouldn't be accusing anybody.
Thank you.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you.
1:52:05
Donna Carter, what do you []?
DONNA CARTER, Rescue Pacifica
Yes, I'm sorry I cut off on the internet.
What was the penalty if this vote should favor your accusations?
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
It's specifications and charges.
1:52:26
DONNA CARTER
Yeah, but
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Prosecutor, would you delineate
CAROL WOLFLEY It's in the chat.
FRED DODSWORTH
18 months is in the chat, and I do reserve the right to respond.
CHERYL DAVILA Its not your---
FRED DODSWORTH
Excuse me,
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
I will give you an opportunity after Donna Carter, are you done? Donna.
DONNA CARTER
No, I want to say that I like the accuser position that Daniel took, that those who accuse are often guilty of what they accuse. That's all.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you. Go ahead Fred
STEVE ZELTZER
Question point of order. what we give an attempt to raise questions previously. In the previous hearing, I had objections to some of the people said,
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
You're out of order.
Go ahead, Fred.
FRED DODSWORTH, Prosecutor
My comments about Mr. Sterling is that he did not behave as a reporter. He say, behaved as an activist, and I did not at all call him into or claim that he hit anybody. He simply was deeply in the process of interfering with the police action when he knew. [] ever been to do in an event like that, that that was going to get him attacked as a reporter, that is something that I have to be aware of, and had to be aware of.
JAMES MCFADDEN, Rescue Pacifica
[I came on] this board six years ago to support free speech radio, and during that period, this LSB has accomplished nothing that benefits KPFA or Pacifica, nothing. Instead, I've experienced six years of petty infighting, bickering and rule breaking and silencing, of which this trial is just one more example. Six years of officers silencing other members of the body, six years of officers who see their LSB job as gatekeepers to protect staff from oversight, rather than provide oversight. Six years of silencing any dissent instead of engaging in lively debate on how to benefit. KPFA, another example of the purity fetish on the left, where people would rather be fighting amongst themselves than face the real opponents on the right. And any board member who goes along with this convention is really jeopardizing their integrity.
Lastly, I want to just say something about the prosecutors presentation. There's a good example by Bob Altemeyer. This is describing how it was presented:
"Their hostility is endorsed by established authority. . . . They feel morally superior, able to punish. . . . They relish being the arm of the Lord."
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Okay,
1:55:40
STEVE ZELTZER
Yeah, I think, yeah. This is obviously a charade that's been presented here. The evidence was not presented to the members of the Local Station Board prior to this hearing. It's an orchestrated witch hunt against two political people who've been fighting, fighting to defend Assange, fighting to defend Frank Sterling, which this board opposed a motion to defend a reporter who was attacked by the police, and actually, he won his case, and a settlement from the police. There are members of this board who were supporting an attack on our reporter at KPFA. What is that about journalism. What is that about defending KPFA and Pacifica that you would refuse to support a reporter at KPFA who was attacked by the police and brought up on charges and you refused to support him? I think it's contemptible. I think these people who think that they're defending a Pacific and KPFA are actually playing into the hands of the Trump and the government in the repression of free speech, and I think is what is going on here.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you. Candice Schott,
1:56:52
CANDICE SCHOTT, Protector
I'm supporting a yes vote on suspension. The defendant's actions were disturbing, to say the least, and I'm concerned about the harm caused by this kind of in your face behavior. She used to disregard the group rules and agreements. In a KPFA Google group email she continued to criticize the same KPFA employee at the work. I believe her inaccurate, accusatory public statements written KPFA reputation, standing in the community because of the seriousness of the evidence we've seen today, I support the motion.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you. Carlos Kohan,
1:57:38
1:57:40
CARLOS KOHAN, Protector
Yes, thank you. You know, I think we all love KPFA. We all love Pacifica. We are all progressive. It doesn't matter to me who's more pure, who's more less. Bottom line, we have very high ideas, and we are all concerned about fascism.
I think we got to this point because there is so much bickering and angry criticism that is very difficult for the LSB to operate. And I've seen that when the public notices from the group Rescue Pacific have been so mean, so aggressive, and my fear is that many donors don't understand. They get pissed, they get upset, and they leave. And that's what I and I'm afraid that it may happen inside the board, that many of us may leave because people get tired.
I've seen the left destroy itself in many movements in Latin America. I hate to get to this point, but if it takes to suspend, not remove, suspend some people so that we can have positive meetings and move forward, then so be it. Aand I hate it. I hate it as much as anybody, but we need to work with each other and stop treating each other like fascists. We are not, we are not. We need to be able to talk and listen to each other, and I wish we could come to that conclusion.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you Carlos, now call on Donald.
1:59:26
DONALD GOLDMACHER, Protector
Yes, thank you. I think what we're wrestling with here, are, well as an individual who says she came on this Local Station Board, she believes it is her right to constantly disrupt and provide disinformation. This type of behavior, unlike you, was what brought down KPFK in Los Angeles. And I believe that there are individuals, not only at this station, but at KPFK and in New York, who really don't want this, these stations of Pacifica, to function as professional radio stations. They really want it to function as their own mouthpieces. And I address this to the attorney who's representing them, who speaks of decades of being involved with Pacifica, and I'd love you to prove me wrong. Thank you.
Offline, please.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you. Sherry Gendelman,
2:00:36
SHERRY GENDELMAN, Protector
Yes, two things. It is not the role of the LSB. Oversight of employees is not the role of the LSB. In fact, we should not interfere with the operation or the employees at the station at any time. And I believe someone requested specifically to state what the penalty would be if we find Ms Milos guilty of the accusations and charges against her. So Would someone please restate the penalty for the benefit of the full board? Thank you.
2:01:28
(Editor's note: It is the role of the LSB to approve the budget, but the employee in question has not provided us with copies of the financial documentation to be able to see the rationale for the budget. Her role and constant barrage of accusations she makes during our public meetings against Pacifica is very disrespectful. Her deposition and the documents that presented showed a collusion between Christina and Maria Negret as being the first person she contacted instead of her inmediate supervisor when she found out about the loss of the $305,000 to Vernille from KPFA accounts. She and Christina contacted Stephen Jaffe, Christina's lawyer, and opposing counsel instead of contacting the counsel for Pacifica, Arthur Schwartz. And when a letter was sent to Arthur Schwartz by Christina, it included Stephen Jaffe in the CC, on an emal that included information about a conversation that Stephanie Wells had had with Arthur Schwartz, something which is considered priviledged information. Maria Negret also failed to notify the LSB about the 7 years of non payment of taxes on the building. People on the LSB found out from a newspaper report.)
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you, Fred, would you restate the penalty? Please.
FRED DODSWORTH
Penalty is an 18 month suspension. We are not throwing off the board. The suspensions have been used ironically by some of the people who are complaining the loudest about it.
Thank you.
WOMAN'S VOICE -- CAROL WOLFLEY ??
Point of order, madam.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Yes?
WOMAN'S VOICE -- CAROL WOLFLEY ??
I just want to read the exact wording. And secondly, if the board finds Ms Milos guilty of the charge and one or more of the specifications that she be immediately suspended from the KPFA Local Station Board, from participation in all KPFA meetings and events for One and a half years ending 2026
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you.
CHERYL DAVILA
This is such a sham. I was in a meeting and heard Dodsworth state his false accusations about Elizabeth and what happened on that day. And I don't understand how that person can get away with such things. And there's, you know, a few people have stated other violations that other people have made, and nothing was said or done.
And the fact that the Maria, or whoever her name is, she came out of the building pretty aggressive, and was aggressive with her hands on her hips. And yeah, she's a woman, but you know, Dodsworth has disrespected me on numerous occasions in this meeting, and today I was kicked out of the meeting. Wasn't let back in for some time. I don't even know why I was kicked out. And the way these, all these meetings, are conducted, is just really disruptive and disturbing, and it is actually fascist. It is fascism that's going on here, and it is a kangaroo court, and you guys make the rules, and we have to go by them.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you. Your time is up. Anthony Fest,
ANTHONY FEST, Rescue Pacifica
Yes, Lisa is accused of violating LSB rules by criticizing staff. Well, why can't we criticize staff? You know, I'm staff. I was staff for, I've been staff for 30 years. I did newscast for 20 years. Someone, LSB member or not, didn't like a newscast I did, they'd be free to contact me or criticize publicly and say, you know you forgot to cover XYZ or ABC. That's okay, hopefully constructive criticism, but if not, it's still free speech, and as to violating rules, what about all the bylaws that this board collectively ignores?
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you. I will now call on Daniel. Go ahead, Daniel,
DANIEL BORGSTRÖM, Rescue Pacifica
Yeah, yes. Point of information. Is this two thirds? Two thirds vote, or is a majority vote? Or what?
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Simple majority vote. Because it's a suspension, not kicking them off the board. So I will now. Donna Carter, did you have a question done or did you want to say something?
DONNA CARTER
No, I was a legacy hand. Okay,
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Darlene. I just muted you again. Darlene, did you want to say something?
DARLENE PAGANO, Protector
Yes, thank you. I just unmuted. This LSB has sent me as a staff member, staff, yeah, a staff candidate, delegate to the PNB for three years, and I am grateful for that. But I'd also like to say that my time, my term is totally up. I've done six years for this LSB, and I find that merciful, that there is a cut off point for that service.
Again, I'm going to bring up the point -- stick to what the issue is at hand. Being on the PNB, I've gotten to see a lot of what all five LSBs in our system do. And if there is anything that is absolutely universal, it's the accusation of: You said, You thought. Well, you did it, and five years ago, blah, blah, blah. That is a universal LSB behavior.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you, Darlene. We will now take five minutes on the penalty itself. So who would wish to speak on the penalty portion?
Anthony? Your hands been up all along. Did you wish to speak on the penalty portion?
ANTHONY FEST
Not at this moment.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you. Ms Davila, go ahead.
CHERYL DAVILA
I move to delete the penalty, to eliminate the penalty.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
You just vote "No."
STEVE ZELTZER, Rescue Pacifica
Yeah. Well, again, this is another power grab by the people who are in the majority of the KPFA LSB, the Protectors. The Protectors. They illegally use the mailing list, with the support of the manager, to send out an email blast by a supposed committee that didn't exist, and never been voted on by the LSB. That's a violation of the bylaws. So the travesty of people here suspending people for actually saying that you should follow the bylaws and you should not be sending out emails with the support of the management for a committee that doesn't exist. It completely shows the character of the so called Protectors group.
This is a threat to democracy, and this is actually playing into the hands of the Trump administration, and that's why now, these people, same people, went to the KPFA, went to the FCC, and demanded the FCC put the license in jeopardy of WBAI. Now that we have a Trump government, we're going to have a commissioner, a fascist commissioner of the FCC, who will likely shut down Pacifica, that you have helped by your actions, the Protectors of help attack Pacifica, calling on the government to take care of issues at WBAI and Pacifica.
That is dangerous, and it's a threat to the listeners. It's a threat to this country that people who call themselves supporters of democracy would go to the government to shut down a station at which is part of the Pacifica network. But it shows really the character I think of these people.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you. Your time is up. Donna Carter, did you did you want to? Did you complete what you were saying before I gave you an opportunity?
DONNA CARTER, Rescue Pacifica
Oh, okay, I'd like to support everything that Steve said, and I'd like everyone here to think very carefully if you had a arbitrary, brutal administration coming in that could cause the demise of Pacifica. This fighting is ridiculous, and I don't agree with the charges. We do have free speech, and I'd like to point out that a lot of this bickering and anger and charges resulted from the email that initially arrived the day voting started for the LSB elections, which had a headline from KPFA, the station and had mentioned in the manager's name, and implied that this was an official campaigning document, and that was a violation of an election. Election on the PNB.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you. I'll call on Sherry Gendelman, go ahead. Sherry,
2:10:37
SHERRY GENDELMAN
Yes, I just want to respond to all of the charges about the petition that was filed, I signed that petition. The people who object to the outcome have tolerated violations of FCC regulations, putting the entire Pacifica foundation at risk for decades, since the allegations which were found to be true by the FCC, the violations at WBAI, the violations of FCC regulatory rules. You had those who complain about the filing of the petition demonstrated not a concern about the corruption and violations that existed at WBAI which threatened the entire network, and that's all I have to say.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
I thank you, Sherry, Fred Dodsworth,
2:11:47
FRED DODSWORTH, Prosecutor
Basically, Sherry just said it for me. I don't really need to, [] I'm not a member. I did not call forth the FCC. I had nothing to do with that, but I support what the group did, even though I was involved at the time, because what they did was say that we have to actually comply with the regulations that the FCC has. That's all they did. And they never asked. They never asked for the license to be suspended. They simply asked for the FCC to give advice to the entire network and ensure that we comply. And I will note that during that time when what was happening in New York was happening. We lost, I think, I think it was three quarters of the listeners in New York City, the largest metro market in the United States and I hear these people on the other side screaming and yelling about the attempt by some people here to actually try to correct an illness, try to correct, to cure a problem. And I find that really fascinating. I'm you know how I'm gonna.
(Editor's note: they lost the listenership because Quincy McCoy made WBAI into a repeater station during the month that they illegally intervened which was a management shut down during a fundraising drive)
DONALD GOLDMACHER ???
Getting back to what we're supposed to be discussing here, which is whether Ms Milos behaved in a manner on becoming a member of the LSB sharing this disinformation that continues to be shared in this meeting as part of this conversation. I will remind everybody here who has been in the LSB meeting for the last couple of years, this action of hers is not untypical of what she has done within these meetings for the past couple of years, continuing to provoke, to disrupt and to disinform our LSB members.
So there you have it. You can vote accordingly.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you, Donald,
If the board finds Ms Milos guilty of the charges and one or more of the specifications that should be immediately suspended from the KPFA Local Station Board and from participation in all KPFA LSB meetings and events for one and a half years, ending on May 10, 2026.
Meeting administrators, please post the email address and phone number for voting in the chat board members. Please look for your email ballot or phone the meeting administrator to vote write guilty or not guilty on the charge, and guilty or not guilty on specification one, and guilty or not guilty on specification two, and yes or no on the proposed penalty if the defendant is found guilty on the charge and one of the specifications by the majority of the board, the vote on the penalty will be counted. Please submit your vote to the KPFA meeting administrators. They are due back three minutes from now. We will notify the defendants and the LSB of the results by email. We will get the report out. The Chair will now entertain a motion for a report out stating---
2:14:56
CHERYL DAVILA
Point of order.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS What is your point of order?
CHERYL DAVILA Is there an opportunity to amend anything?
CHRISTINA HUGGINS No, we're in the middle of voting right now.
This is not the time.
ANTHONY FEST We were deliberating a moment ago, now we're voting?
CHRISTINA HUGGINS What amendment do you wish to make?
What is your stated amendment?
CAROL WOLFLEY
Point of order Madam Chair
CHRISTINA HUGGINS,
What is your point of order?
CAROL WOLFLEY
The ballots have gone out, people have already started voting. So, ppl could have made an amendment during the discussion of the penalty. There was no motion made at that time. So the ballots have gone out and people have already voted on it.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
Thank you, you're point of order is well taken, we're going to go ahead and vote. This is not the appropriate time to make a motion because ppl have already started voting
JAMES MCFADDEN
Point of order
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
What is your point of order
JAMES MCFADDEN
Couldn't another ballot be sent out?.
CHRISTINA HUGGINS
No, I've made my ruling. The Chair has ruled on the issue. The chair will now entertain a motion for a report out.
DANIEL BORGSTROM
Point of order. I do not find a ballot
(Editor's note: people attempting to make an objection to the report out were muted. Others didn't have the ballot. Anthony Fest had to remind them to vote to adjourn.)
VOTING
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THIS IS THE SECOND EMAIL THAT WAS SENT TO BOARD MEMBERS
EMAIL:
CONFIDENTIAL Ballot for Disciplinary Hearing 2
KPFA LSB Members, Below is your secret ballot
for the KPFA LSB Diciplinary Hearing Nov.16 2024 for Elizabeth Milos
Please write your name and a 5 character code with letters and/or numbers for your recorded identity
My name is: My code is:
Please put an X next to GUILTY or NOT GUILTY after each charge and specification:
I move that the KPFA Local Station Board find Ms. Milos guilty of the charge that she made inaccurate statements in a public meeting about the assault and battery of a KPFA employee, manager
GUILTY NOT GUILTY
and as specified that she made the inaccurate statements at an online Zoom Pacifica Fightback sponsored event about the alleged assault and battery of a KPFA Employee Manager on July 31, 2024 in front of the KPFA building. This included an accusation of making a false report.
GUILTY NOT GUILTY
And as further specified that Ms. Milos discussed the work performance of a KPFA Employee in an accusatory manner in a public setting outside of closed Executive Session in violation of KPFA LSB Standing Rules.
GUILTY NOT GUILTY
Please put an X next to YES or NO to indicate your agreement or disagreement with the proposed penalty
In addition I move that if the board finds Ms. Milos guilty of the charge and or specifications that she be immediately suspended from the KPFA Local Station Board and from participation in all KPFA LSB meetings and events for one and a half years, ending on May 10, 2026."
YES NO
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THE TRIAL HAS ENDING, FROM THERE IT'S JUST DETAILS ABOUT VOTING TECHNICALITIES
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THESE ARE THE RESULTS WHICH ARRIVED THE NEXT DAY BY EMAIL
Nov 17, 2024
[Closed KPFA LSB] Fwd: Voting Results from 11-16-24 Executive Session
'Carol Wolfley' via Closed KPFA LSB
Attachments 6:24 PM
Dear KPFA LSB Members,
Report Out from November 16, 2024
The KPFA Local Station Board met in Executive Session to hold 2 disciplinary hearings for 2 KPFA Local Station Board Delegates including discussion of proprietary and personnel matters. The results of the majority vote on the penalty are that Steve Zeltzer and Elizabeth Milos have been suspended from the KPFA LSB and from participation in all KPFA LSB meetings and events for 18 months, ending on May 10, 2026.
This matter is CONFIDENTIAL and not for deliberation by email. With the exception of the above KPFA LSB Report Out, this email and all information involving the 2 disciplinary hearings is a CONFIDENTIAL KPFA LSB matter and to be discussed only within Executive Session.
The Defendants have been notified by email.
Thank You,
Carol Wolfley
Secretary KPFA Local Station Board
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FRED DODSWORTH'S EMAIL, presemably addressing Boardmember Cheryl Davila:
Nov 18, 2024
Re: [Closed KPFA LSB] Fwd: Voting Results from 11-16-24 Executive Session
Fred DodsworthKPFA
to closed-kpfalsb
I do wonder which disruptive, dishonest coward rewrote the headline to Carol's report to state "Kangeroo Court Report Out from November 16, 2024"
Don't be a coward, own it so we all can see who you are. By the way, it's spelled Kangaroo... no e.
fondly
Fred Dodsworth KPFA LSB and PNB delegate
On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 11:01 AM Cheryl Davila
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